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My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gay lifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.
Jesus gives his teaching on divorce very clearly in the New Testament.
We know that govenment allows divorce for reasons that go against what Jesus himself teaches. For instance, California has marriage dissolution, etc. .
Now, as Christians do we take it upon ourselves to see divorce outside of Our Saviors teachings to be valid ?
Why, of course not.
So, why do some here promote that gay marriage be valid because of a government decree ?
We all know that the Bible and Jesus only refer to marriage specifically as being between a man and a woman and there is not single example- in the thousands of years of history the Bible covers of a homosexual marriage. In fact Corinthians 6:9 specifically states that offenders will not see the kingdom and Paul himself warns about those who are sexually immoral.
Especially in early Christianity we have seen the witness of martyrs stand up against governments- in the late 1850s more than 500,000 Christians were beheaded in Vietnam for refusing to step on the cross and deny Christ.
So why would anyone claiming to be a Christian be so willing to trample Christ's teaching by promoting the state as being above the Savior ?
Blacks were/are discriminated against on the basis of the color of their skin. That is called racism.
My prejudice and discrimination against people who lead gaylifestyles stems from their sin which IMO is an insult to God.
Is that distinguishable enouph for you ?
Hate the sin love the sinner.
It is a battle over equal civil rights in the civil society.The problem is that the state consists of groups of people who hold opposing views. In this case the religious worldview holds that marriage is to be man and woman and the gay and lesbain worldview holds that marriage can be same-sex unions.
Which way is the state to go? Sady in the UK the government has enforced the gay and lesbain wordlview upon society thus overiding the religious worldview.
Sadly also the religious group is bigger than the gay and lesbain group. Its also leading to a total confusion in morals and ethics and even general liguistic confusion.
much of the gay and lesbian argument is however dishonest and misleading as it tries to represent all homosexuals whereas this isnt a 'battle' over people as some homosexuals are Christians.
No the state should not recognise same-sex unions, they are evidently not natural, by God's creation or by nature clearly a man and a woman can conceive and are supposed to raise the children they produce, same-sex unions are just for sexual gratification, that cna be done without assuming marriage.
Which way is the state to go? Sady in the UK the government has enforced the gay and lesbain wordlview upon society thus overiding the religious worldview.
...same-sex unions are just for sexual gratification, that can be done without assuming marriage.
It is not your law; it is God's Law:In what way is allowing gay couples to enter into civil partnerships (which is not the same thing as marriage...) "enforcing the gay and lesbian worldview upon society"? If people were being forced to enter into civil partnerships, or if heterosexual marriages were being banned, then you might have a point, but all that's happening is that gay couples are allowed to enter into civil partnerships. And yes, I see your point about "overriding the religious worldview", but the reality is, it's a minority viewpoint that sees the idea of gay marriage as a bad thing, and with all due respect, for their view to be allowed to hold legal sway over the vast majority of people would be to introduce a theocracy, and I don't know about you, but I'd be uncomfortable with that even if it was a broadly Christian theocracy. As things stand, much of the law on the statute books of the UK is based on Christian ethics and principles.
Same-sex unions are no more "just for sexual gratification" than opposite-sex unions are.
David.
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders … (1Cor 6:9)
Civil marriage, which is marriage recognized by the state, is human law.It is not your law; it is God's Law:
I choose God. It matters nothing what misconceptions of others here are. I have taken oathes to obey God and reject satan.
How can it be when there are two opposing views? My previous post disproves this as possible.It is a battle over equal civil rights in the civil society.
Equally one can say no sexual view should be imposed on people. The state must not impose sexual views on people at the expense of religious ones.No "religious world view" should be imposed the people through the civil government.
That is a reasonable argument, I fully recognise that as saying one group should be allowed to do what it pleases and the other what it pleases. However this isnt happening in the UK as Christians are being forced to not only recognise the union, but for example in the case of adoption agencies place children with same sex couples or be shut down. So they are closing themselves down. In this way Christian charities can no longer operate. And this really is the problem just as gay and lesbians now refer to same-sex unions as marriage and not civil partnerships it can be seen gay and lesbian activists are not to be trusted on agreements. So yes you have a reasonable point but no it has been shown that gay and lesbian groups wont accept this.In what way is allowing gay couples to enter into civil partnerships (which is not the same thing as marriage
here is you affirming the truth in my previous point. Marriage is man and woman not heterosexual. The sexual desires of the man and the woman can be either. it’s a man and a woman that makes a marriage. Secondly why should the gay and lesbian worldview be accepted at all, why should the religious worldview be accepted at all?enforcing the gay and lesbian worldview upon society"? If people were being forced to enter into civil partnerships, or if heterosexual marriages were being banned, then you might have a point, but all that's happening is that gay couples are allowed to enter into civil partnerships.
Not worldwide it isn’t and Ohioprof’s previous post suggest it isnt.but the reality is, it's a minority viewpoint that sees the idea of gay marriage as a bad thing
Why is that? Because you don’t really hold Christian views about things? One has to adopt some values, not everyone will necessarily be pleased.but I'd be uncomfortable with that even if it was a broadly Christian theocracy
Yes they are, the reason was in my statement, opposite sex unions can conceive and produce offspring, same-sex ones cant so yes as I said same sex unions are just for sexual gratification, opposite sex ones aren’t.Same-sex unions are no more "just for sexual gratification" than opposite-sex unions are.
So ethnic cleansing, which is murder recognized by a state, is human law too ?Civil marriage, which is marriage recognized by the state, is human law.
Marriage is man and woman not heterosexual.
Why is that? Because you dont really hold Christian views about things?
Yes they are, the reason was in my statement, opposite sex unions can conceive and produce offspring, same-sex ones cant so yes as I said same sex unions are just for sexual gratification, opposite sex ones arent.
When such opposing viewpoints come into contest the state must decide based on the greater good for the greatest number while at the same time respecting the guaranteed liberties and legal protections of the opposing viewpoint.The problem is that the state consists of groups of people who hold opposing views. In this case the religious worldview holds that marriage is to be man and woman and the gay and lesbain worldview holds that marriage can be same-sex unions.
As noted your right to hate others is not affected at all.Which way is the state to go? Sady in the UK the government has enforced the gay and lesbain wordlview upon society thus overiding the religious worldview.
Well what is to be expected when a group claiming to be Christian and claiming to support love and compassion and justice is endorsing discrimination and prejudice.Sadly also the religious group is bigger than the gay and lesbain group. Its also leading to a total confusion in morals and ethics and even general liguistic confusion.
much of the gay and lesbian argument is however dishonest and misleading as it tries to represent all homosexuals whereas this isnt a 'battle' over people as some homosexuals are Christians.
And the infertile and the elderly should also be discriminated against because they cannot biologically reproduceNo the state should not recognise same-sex unions, they are evidently not natural, by God's creation or by nature clearly a man and a woman can conceive and are supposed to raise the children they produce, same-sex unions are just for sexual gratification, that cna be done without assuming marriage.
Can you please explain why your right to hate is more important than equality for gays and lesbians?Dear Ohioprof,
How can it be when there are two opposing views? My previous post disproves this as possible.
Equally one can say no sexual view should be imposed on people. The state must not impose sexual views on people at the expense of religious ones.
The problem is that the state consists of groups of people who hold opposing views. In this case the religious worldview holds that marriage is to be man and woman and the gay and lesbain worldview holds that marriage can be same-sex unions.
Which way is the state to go? Sady in the UK the government has enforced the gay and lesbain wordlview upon society thus overiding the religious worldview.
Sadly also the religious group is bigger than the gay and lesbain group. Its also leading to a total confusion in morals and ethics and even general liguistic confusion.
much of the gay and lesbian argument is however dishonest and misleading as it tries to represent all homosexuals whereas this isnt a 'battle' over people as some homosexuals are Christians.
My argument is that presented with the evidence, the state should not recognise same-sex unions, they are evidently not natural, by God's creation or by nature clearly a man and a woman can conceive and are supposed to raise the children they produce, same-sex unions are just for sexual gratification, that cna be done without assuming marriage.
Can you please explain why your right to hate is more important than equality for gays and lesbians?
And more often than not done in Gods nameSo ethnic cleansing, which is murder recognized by a state, is human law too ?
You're comparing that to this?And more often than not done in Gods name
This does not make sense. Ethnic cleansing as genocide is against international law and against national laws around the world. It is certainly against the law in the United States.So ethnic cleansing, which is murder recognized by a state, is human law too ?
Think that one through a little more, ha ha !
People have the right to hold opposing views. Holding one's own beliefs, whatever they are, is a very important right, protected by the first amendment to the constitution in the United States.Dear Ohioprof,
How can it be when there are two opposing views? My previous post disproves this as possible.
Equally one can say no sexual view should be imposed on people. The state must not impose sexual views on people at the expense of religious ones.
The problem is that the state consists of groups of people who hold opposing views. In this case the religious worldview holds that marriage is to be man and woman and the gay and lesbain worldview holds that marriage can be same-sex unions.
Which way is the state to go? Sady in the UK the government has enforced the gay and lesbain wordlview upon society thus overiding the religious worldview.
Sadly also the religious group is bigger than the gay and lesbain group. Its also leading to a total confusion in morals and ethics and even general liguistic confusion.
much of the gay and lesbian argument is however dishonest and misleading as it tries to represent all homosexuals whereas this isnt a 'battle' over people as some homosexuals are Christians.
My argument is that presented with the evidence, the state should not recognise same-sex unions, they are evidently not natural, by God's creation or by nature clearly a man and a woman can conceive and are supposed to raise the children they produce, same-sex unions are just for sexual gratification, that cna be done without assuming marriage.
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