Why Does Man Sin?

Sin is the normal state of the Flesh.... God created the flesh to be Sin full.

That way only he could save us.....and we cannot boast before him that we saved ourselves.

Our right standing with God...is dependant on what God did with Jesus on the Cross....we are all helpless before God.

Glory be to God!

Daniels said:

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Good Day, Daniels

Man sins because he is a "sinner".

Why does a duck quack?

Because he is a duck.

In Him,

Bill

Because we are spiritually dead, born in iniquity, and beholden to our sinful natures. We only do that which is natural to us. We are sinners thus we sin.

Daniels said:

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(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

SpiritDriven said:

Sin is the normal state of the Flesh.... God created the flesh to be Sin full.

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So Adam was created to fail, is that it?? Can you not see anything wrong with that picture?

That way only he could save us.....and we cannot boast before him that we saved ourselves.
Our right standing with God...is dependant on what God did with Jesus on the Cross....we are all helpless before God.

Glory be to God!

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How 'bout considering what would be the case had Adam not sinned?

Glory be to God!

BereanTodd said:

Because we are spiritually dead, born in iniquity, and beholden to our sinful natures. We only do that which is natural to us. We are sinners thus we sin.

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I hope you are only speaking for yourself....

Daniels said:

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People who sin don’t know God and are not being led by the Holy Spirit.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(Galatians 5:16)“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.

Ormly said:

So Adam was created to fail, is that it?? Can you not see anything wrong with that picture?



How 'bout considering what would be the case had Adam not sinned?

Glory be to God!

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The Lord of hosts has sworn saying, "Surely, just as I have intended so it has happened, and just as I have planned so it will stand (Isaiah 14:24).

It is the Lord that answers you on this....from the word that first proceeded out of his mouth.

A new insight perhaps for you....into the highness of Gods ways,

He will not share his Glory with another.

Grace and Peace to you

(NASB) For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

Because of:
- the original sin
- the free will
- man's imperfection

Adam and Eve didn't sin before the original sin. They chose to follow the snake's words and thus sinned. We enherited the consequences.

And everybody, except God, sins. Even if they have the Holy Spirit. Of course, minor sins. But only God is perfect.

Life must be lived, rightly or wrongly, otherwise it is not life. It has been said that sometimes we must do the wrong thing just to know what we feel.

We are FINITE, some things must be lived to be understood or avoided later. This is not our excuse to 'sin' it is just part of the consequence. Learning is the best consequence of sin, by learning, does this imply that the 'sin' is not infact a sin?

Does God value people more than sinlessness? Absolutely!

Sin reminds us that we are not God and that we ultimately do not control our lives or see everything clearly. We rely upon one another and God.

Because we want to

(Romans 7:14-21) “The Law, of course, as we all know, is spiritual; but I am unspiritual; I have been sold as a slave to sin. I cannot understand my own behavior. I fail to carry out the things I want to do, and I find myself doing the very things I hate. When I act against my own will, that means I have a self that acknowledges that the Law is [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth], and so the thing behaving in that way is not my self but sin living in me. The fact is, I know of nothing good living in me---- living, that is, in my unspiritual self----for though the will to do what is good is in me, the performance is not, with the result that instead of doing the good things I want to do, I carry out the sinful things I do not want. When I act against my will, then, it is not my true self-doing it, but sin, which lives in me.
In fact, this seems to be the rule, that every single time I want to do good it is something evil that comes to hand. In my inmost self I dearly love God’s Law, but I can see that my body follows a different law that battles against the law, which my reason dictates. This is what makes me a prisoner of that law of sin, which lives inside my body.
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body doomed to death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!
In short, it is I who with my reason serve the Law of God, and no less I who serve in my unspiritual self the law of sin.”

It seems the previous passage from Romans is what most people believe is the norm for everyone.

(Romans 8:1-4) “the reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.

Why can’t people see? If a person sins they are not being led by the Spirit of God. Who do people think they are fooling? A person can’t be a slave of sin and of God also. A person is a slave of Satan or of God, not first one then the other and then back again.

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Because we want to

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Agreed. Of all the responses, this is truly the most succinct. Well said.

DerSchweik said:

Agreed. Of all the responses, this is truly the most succinct. Well said.

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is your GT name from the J. Hasek character ?

(sorry, had to ask )

2 Corinthians 5:19
that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

Ask a faulty question, get a faulty answer.

Paul did not associate himself with the sin that indwelt his own flesh. Why should YOU not do the same? See IF you can follow Paul's IF/THEN simplistic logic here in Romans 7:

16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

and re-iterated again:

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

Was Paul EVIL? Never! What Paul did as SAUL, the "old man" was done in IGNORANCE and in UNbelief. Paul/Saul SINNED as a SLAVE of sin, the difference being that Paul finally SAW that the sin indwelling him and the EVIL PRESENT with him was NOT HIM. Yes, that's a PERIOD.

So then...ya really should be asking yourself if the sin that indwelt PAUL and the EVIL PRESENT with Paul was not PAUL, then WHO was it?

Paul goes to great lengths to elaborate this condition in Romans 7 as a pre-amble to the infamous Romans 9 wherein Paul identifies that in the SAME LUMP there is both a VESSEL OF HONOR and a VESSEL OF DISHONOR/WRATH/DESTRUCTION.

It is plain stupidity to MIX these two separate vessels, yet BOTH of these vessels are IN the flesh. The flesh is merely the present "container" of both VESSELS. The actions of the vessel of DISHONOR are not counted against MANKIND just as the opening scripture tells us, but those same sins ARE COUNTED against the "causes" of sin...the vessel of DISHONOR.

Now just how do we as Gods children figure out WHO the vessels of DISHONOR are? The sin indwelling Paul and the EVIL PRESENT with Paul?

Paul gives us some insight into his own condition by openly admitting that it was God Himself who gave Paul a special messenger of SATAN to buffet his flesh.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Interesting...Paul admits that he was carrying around a SPECIAL MESSENGER OF SATAN in his flesh.

What did John the Apostle write of these things?

1.) We cannot say we have NO SIN. (the infamous 1 John 1:8)

2.) "he who commits sin is of the DEVIL" (1 John 3:9)

Bingo. A direct hit again ON SATAN/THE DEVIL.

Jesus clearly showed us that SATAN has ACCESS to the flesh. Peter was used as a fine example of this FACT. So was Judas whom Satan ENTERED.

See if you can connect the dots on the activity of SATAN in "association" with The Word:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

IMMEDIATELY is pretty close isn't it?

If you claim to be a child of God, then you should NOT COUNT sins against your fellow man either. Limited atonement "believers" do commit that action, and they do so in error.

When you look at ANY person you should by scriptures see TWO VESSELS.

One, an offspring of God, a VESSEL OF HONOR

And two, you should see THE VESSEL OF DISHONOR, which is the ONLY other logically revealed and exposed occupant of the flesh, THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS whom Jesus clearly PINPOINTED as being IN the flesh as well.

These two positions should be beyond mistake for ANY child of God, and to MISS this is to be deceived, and you will speak AS THEIR SLAVE.

Now you know!

enjoy!

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Thekla said:

is your GT name from the J. Hasek character ?

(sorry, had to ask )

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LOL - No, it isn't.

DerSchweik said:

LOL - No, it isn't.

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Thanks for being a "good sport"