Why does hell exist?

vinsight4u said:

Adam will not die the second death, so the ones in the lake of fire in the future
are never shown to later die somehow in Christ.
They died in their sins - have no hope, no mercy, and get eternal judgment.
Their names will not be found written in the book of life.
They will never enter into the city of New Jerusalem.

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Dear Vin: What an exciting future for those miserable rotten sinners!

No hope>>No mercy>>Unending judgment

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vinsight4u said:

Isaiah 66 ends showing that the wicked will be looked upon on the new
earth at times.
Daniel 12:2 shows this same scene.
The onlookers will go out to be - abhorred.

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Indeedy. It's about those alive in Christ coming out to look upon those still dead in their sins, a morass of stinking corruption.

But that's not the end of the story. Rev 21-22 teaches that the nations consumed by fire (20:9) then are saved and inherit (21:26-27), and reprobates are encouraged to wash their robes in Lamb's blood (aka the life of Christ aka the lake of fire) (22:14) and answer the invitation to enter the City (22:17) through its ever-open gates. (21:25)

This is confirmed in Ez 47:9-10 where the river of life flows into the Dead Sea, giving everything life and fishermen will haul them in. (Beautiful passage btw, soak it in.)

Also, the general run of Isaiah 60-66 and Daniel 7 is salvific. A couple of particular verses you cite need to be read in context. Those ominous-sounding verses are superseded in Rev 21:4 no more death (aka the last enemy) and 22:3 no more curse. Only the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ upon ALL (22:21). Now that's the total victory of Christ brought home in the age of Kingdom come!

So do yourself a favour - read the narrative, test your assumptions. Pray and contemplate God to see if He's really planning to bbq the many. I hope you'll be rejoicing at the righteous prospect of God being all in all!

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vinsight4u said:

Ezekiel's temple will not be built. There is no sea part on the new earth.

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Really? So are you planning to wander out of heaven before lunch and be abhorred, shrug your shoulders and go back in for a cold beer?

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vinsight4u said:

Ezekiel shows that people still will be dying, animals can have blemishes,
and the sea is around. There will be widows. He was not writing then about
scenes for the new earth times.

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Well someone forget to tell St John that when he was envsioning the lake of fire. Compare for example the Ez 47:12 and Rev 22:2 re the trees of life and their fruits. You can deny it, but it doesn't get you far.

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vinsight4u said:

Daniel 12:2 - everlasting -contempt
contempt means -abhor

He wrote that some rise to that.

shame
everlasting contempt

Isaiah 66 ends showing the lake of fire and those that must go out to view them and
thus -get abhorred at the site where -their worm dieth not.
the sabbath - go out
the new moon - go out
then what - go worship God

Seems this is going to be done a lot. I believe it is God's way to keep His kingdom holy
for eternity. We will get consistently reminded of the mercy on us and what happens
to those that disobey God. He will be angry with those die in theirs sins -for ever.
His wrath will abide on them!

OT - one person sins -picked up sticks on the sabbath
or did something to one person or such

What happened before the days of the kings of Israel?
All stone them. Why?
Because the others will then not do that sin.
Israel was to - hear, fear, and obey God!

put this sin from them - all would be required to toss some stones at the person - maybe even their entire family - and animals

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You didn't answer my question. Who is doing the abhorring? Those in heaven? You? So what then - just leave them in torment? Is that Christian?

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vinsight4u said:

Verse 14 shows that the OT fathers are not in this prophecy. It is still speaking as to
the land was promised to fall unto their seed. If this was a new earth chapter, then
Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and more would all be there.

He lifted up His hand to give it to them - and it falls unto the others - as their
inheritance. They are not then living on the earth as resurrected saints and the
OT fathers are among them.

The tribe of Joseph shall have....
not Joseph is there then

born in the country - verse 22

NT - those that -counted worthy to obtain that -resurrection - that world

neither marry - nor are given in marriage
but are like the angels of heaven

Ezekiel 44:25 has - shall come at no dead person
to defile themselves

Ezekiel 44:22 - widow
or put away - Is there divorce on the new earth?
There won't be any marriages of people.

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Not making sense dude.

The job of those who are saved in the City is to help encourage the vile (Rev 22:11) and abhorrent (Dan 12:2) outside the open gates to clean up and come partake of the water of life, for the healing of the nations (Rev 22:2). We are the fishers of men (Ez 47:10, Mt 4:19).

So it continues until the last sheep is recovered and humanity is one in Christ.

Shrewd Manager said:

Not making sense dude.
The job of those who are saved in the City is to help encourage the vile (Rev 22:11) and abhorrent (Dan 12:2) outside the open gates to clean up and come partake of the water of life, for the healing of the nations (Rev 22:2). We are the fishers of men (Ez 47:10, Mt 4:19).
So it continues until the last sheep is recovered and humanity is one in Christ.

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Nonsense. Anybody can make the Bible say anything they want it to by taking random verses and jamming them together out-of-context.
Rev 22:11 says nothing about those inside the city helping to encourage the vile etc.

Der Alter said:

Rev 22:11 says nothing about those inside the city helping to encourage the vile etc.

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It's Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.

Pray tell, what do you expect to be doing assuming you're in heaven? Playing canasta with the cherubim?

Der Alter said:

Nonsense. Anybody can make the Bible say anything they want it to by taking random verses and jamming them together out-of-context.

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Dear D.A.: How many are made sinners? How many are made righteous?

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.

8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Polus = polus

ChristianForCats said:

God is the Creator of all things. He loves everything He created, according to Genesis 1. But God hates Satan and demons and does not want anyone to live in the lake of fire that He created. I don't get it. My mom said a loving God would not create hell because He does not want people to suffer eternally, so she does not believe it exists. Why isn't this true?

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Bible tells that person is destroyed in hell, I don’t believe anyone who is destroyed suffers.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

Would loving God allow evil to live forever and make all suffer eternally? I don’t think so, I believe love is the reason why God ends evil one day.

Shrewd Manager said:

It's Rev 22:17
The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
Pray tell, what do you expect to be doing assuming you're in heaven? Playing canasta with the cherubim?

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You referenced Rev 22:11 in the post I quoted. But as I often say anybody can make the Bible say almost anything they want it to by quoting isolated verses out-of-context.
Neither verse says anything about "The job of those who are saved in the City is to help encourage the vile," as you said.
Why don't you stick to the topic instead of trying to insult me?

1213 said:

Bible tells that person is destroyed in hell, I don’t believe anyone who is destroyed suffers.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matt. 10:28

Would loving God allow evil to live forever and make all suffer eternally? I don’t think so, I believe love is the reason why God ends evil one day.

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Dear 1213: You will find that apollumi is one of the strongest words in koine regarding destruction.

GREEK WORD STUDIES ἀπόλλυμι, 'apollumi' for 'Perish, Destroy'

You will also find our God is the God of ta panta.

The Super Radical Ta Panta

Source, Guide, Goal of the all