Why do YECs believe the universe is only about 6000 years old?

I find that the 6,000 year idea to be totally unbelievable.  Why?  Because there were civilizations on earth older than that.  Sumerians date back around 7,000 years. 

And if we aren't supposed to believe what scientific studies have shown us, what are we to believe?  Rumors?

Saying that the bible is right because god is right, and god exists because the bible says so is circular reasoning.

2 Peter 3:8

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

One day in Heaven is one thousand years on earth.
Why do I believe the earth is only 6,000 yrs old? Because after the tribulation and abomination of desolation (which is happening now, or is about to start) Jesus Chirst will return to earth for His Millenial Reign, after His Millenial Reign satan will be thrown into the lake of fire forever. God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, remember 1 day to God is one thousand years to us.

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hehe, aftermath.

But seriously. Sister wild heart, note that what you said was only half the thruth, lets not quote the bible out of context. Here is the full quote
"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
2 peter 3:8. So what this verse really says is that time is different for God. He is above time and he does not have to relate to it as we do.

Sinai, what I suppose wildheart meant was that it took probably 6000 years to create earth, and 6000 years from the creation of Adam until now. (correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions wildheart)

creationevidence.org

Perhaps this may interest you.

Lol it's funny people still say there is evidence for YEC.

http://creationevidence.org/scientific_evid/scien_eviden_creatn.html

There is only crackpot theories. LOL

Originally posted by Sinai
Plus the approximately 6000 years since Adam. 

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According to the Hebrew Calander God formed Adam 5762 years ago. All of the Genologys are in the Bible in two or three different places.

According to the collage boys, there was a Adam and a Eve. But they put the time frame at about 180,000 years.

There are some who say the first women was 180,000 years ago, but Adam was 60,000 years ago. One  theory is that Adam and Eve's son Seth when off and married a women from another group.

"Three British geneticists, led by L. Simon Whitfield of the University of Cambridge, carried out analysis of both mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome DNA from the same people. The mitochondrial data yielded a time of origin of modern humans between 120,000 and 474,000 years ago. The Y chromosome data indicated the origin was probably between 37,000 and 49,000 years ago."

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/adameve.html  

Originally posted by JohnR7

There are some who say the first women was 180,000 years ago, but Adam was 60,000 years ago. One  theory is that Adam and Eve's son Seth when off and married a women from another group.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/adameve.html  

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Please re-read your reference. They do not state that these were the "first" of anything. They do not state that there was a singular adam and eve.

The mitochondrial and y chromosome "Adam and Eve" would have been different at different time in evolutionary history. They are not referring to the first "adam and eve" of the bible nor the first man and woman on earth.

From your source:
"Even though the studies refer to a single man or woman in the past, they do not imply that those people were a couple or even that they were the only parents of all humans. "

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Originally posted by seesaw
Lol it's funny people still say there is evidence for YEC.

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I belive that Adam was formed about 6000 years ago and created to be a "food producer". His son Seth could have married a women from Ethiopia or Kenya, that was created earlier than that as a "food gather."

There is a difference between the genology of man and the creation of the earth.

Sanai, you are adding words to my post

originally posted by Sanai

So, according to your calculations, 6 x 1,000 years = 6,000 years....

Plus the approximately 6000 years since Adam.

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there was no 'plus' in my post. I did not say it has been 6,000 yrs since Adam, I said the Earth is 6,000 yrs old.
Maybe your difficulty to understand is because you are adding things to what people are trying to say, therefor, confusing yourself.

Originally posted by #1 Nonbeliever
I find that the 6,000 year idea to be totally unbelievable.  Why?  Because there were civilizations on earth older than that.  Sumerians date back around 7,000 years.  

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I ran a search and the web sites that came up said that the Sumerians were around 3,000 to 4,000 bc.

Adams Son Cain, who killed Able, went off and built a city around 6,000 years ago. The Bible says that "Cain was a tiller of the ground". It only stands to reason if your a food producer, your going to be staying in one place and not out wondering around like a food gather would.

In my Bible it states in 2 Peter 3:8 "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day."

The length of a day is measured differently on all the planets in the solar system. Mercury's day is measured as 58.7 Earth day, Venus's day is measured as 243 Earth day, Mars's day is measured as 24.6 Earth hour, Jupiter's day is measured as 9.8 Earth hour, Saturn's day is measured as 10.2 Earth hour, Uranus's day is measured as 17.9 Earth hour, Neptune's day is measured as 19.1 Earth hour and Pluto's day is measured as 6.3 Earth day. You can find these times on the graph on this website;

www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/

There are color graph charts and below them is a numbers chart. This is an indication that time is measured differently on every celestial object. When 2 Peter states that a day to the Lord is a thousand year to us, as measured by the time where He comes from, then it must have taken at least six thousand year for Him to make the environment in which we live. In Genesis, it states that God created man in his own image on the sixth day. Therefore God had a thousand year period in which He created the animate life systems, which include humans.

If I am reading this correctly, then it doesn't say that anything was created instantaneously, but that everything was created over extended periods of time. This would lead to the logical deduction that the people who believe in a young Earth, at a minimum, would have to readjust their belief to account for at least a 12,000 year old Earth.

Good luck Sinai...I've tried to flush out the YEC's to defend their movement within Christianity. I know the ones who subscribe to it...yet they wouldn't debate it with me either...(if you remember my last thread on the topic)

I think it's simply a matter of someone believing what a preacher, pastor, ministor, etc teaches from a pulpit...rather than seeking for the truth on their own.

Personally, I was introduced to the YEC 'movement' listening to a radio station driving home one day about 5 years ago. It sounds great at first, until you seek out the truth and discover all the holes in it.

What bothers me most is that younger Christians who haven't had the opportunities yet for higher education or life experiences are being exposed to this 'movement'...which is just that....a 'movement'. I'm noticing a trend that these beliefs are mainly held by our younger generations.

Genesis is not a book of dates. It's the story of God's creation. Period.

For you YEC's who attempt to use the chronology recorded in Genesis to date the earth, What sense does it make to use a book which noone can say for sure who wrote,,and when it was written..to date the earth?

Wanna see some interesting cave formations in the mountains here..and then try to explain how they were formed in under 6000 years?....
You accomplish that..and your Nobel Prize awaits.

Oh..and if you attempt to state that 'God created it that way'....then our God is a God of deception and how could we trust that we are indeed saved through the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross?

Wanna talk about senseless? How about those who do not believe the Bible to be accurate because it was written by man, yet believe every word man tells them about science, which man founded. A scientist can make anything up and people will believe him, because.......he is a scientist, he would know....yet, the same people try to discredit the Bible on the basis it was written by man?

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Praise Be To Yahweh Always!

I'm so new to the Christian Forum that I do not yet even know what YEC stands for.....=) However, I do think we must be careful in claiming cave formations as a basis for an extensively older earth (not sure if that's where you were headed). Recently I watched a documentary (a secular production) in which cave formations were being studied. They found acids that were very quick-acting and formed caves in far less time than had been previously thought.
While I am not an expert in this by any means, we have constantly seen man's science catching up with God's Bible throughout history. Man claims that something is impossible! then finds that God was right all along.
The part about God seeing a day as a thousand years.....I don't suppose anyone would actually be trying to say that God cannot then conceive of a 24-hour day. If they weren't 24 hour days than how did the plant life survive without the sun for thousands of years? The Bible says the plant life was created before the sun was.

All that by the way......I don't have any problem adjusting my idea to a 12,000 year old earth. It's the billions of years I would have a real problem with.

WildHeart75 writes: "Wanna talk about senseless? How about those who do not believe the Bible to be accurate because it was written by man, yet believe every word man tells them about science, which man founded. A scientist can make anything up and people will believe him, because.......he is a scientist, he would know...yet, the same people try to discredit the Bible on the basis it was written by man?"

Talk about projection! Your entire world view is based on nothing other than a credulous appeal to authority, so what do you do? You impugn others with your own credulity. Who, exactly, believes a scientist on the ludicrous grounds you claim? Have you ever actually read a scientific paper? (I'm not talking about popularizations you might check out of a library; I'm talking about primary, peer-reviewed work.) Do you have the slightest idea how stringent the requirements are to get published in the professional science journals?

One doesn't believe a scientist because he/she wears a lab coat and speaks in polysyllabic words. One grants provisional assent to a scientist's conclusions based on the integrity of the research performed and the soundness of the conclusions drawn from such work. The work itself must fulfill certain minimal requirements, e.g., it must be potentially falsifiable; the experiment (if one was performed) must be -- in principle, at least --repeatable; the raw data conclusions were drawn from must be public so one's peers can evaluate the adequacy of the conclusions. Scientific work must also jibe with currently accepted models of how the world works; otherwise, if the work is of such a nature that it calls into question prevailing models, those models must be either modified to accommodate the new findings or be scrapped altogether in favor of new, more adequate models.

Have you ever paused to wonder why it is that YECs who publish never (let me repeat that, NEVER) publish their "work" in professional, peer-reviewed scientific journals but instead target their books and papers at scientific illiterates in the general public? Let me give you a clue. It starts with a "p" and ends in "olitics".

In answer to the question posed by this thread's title, YECs believe in a young earth for the following two reasons: (1) failure to grasp the science at issue and (2) submissiveness to authority based on successful cult indoctrination. How else to explain such irrationality?

Originally posted by Baptistgal
Recently I watched a documentary (a secular production) in which cave formations were being studied. They found acids that were very quick-acting and formed caves in far less time than had been previously thought.

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Please quantify "far less time". 1 million years instead of 10 million?

All that by the way......I don't have any problem adjusting my idea to a 12,000 year old earth. It's the billions of years I would have a real problem with.

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Do you have a problem with an old earth on scientific grounds or theological grounds?

Originally posted by Baptistgal

While I am not an expert in this by any means, we have constantly seen man's science catching up with God's Bible throughout history. Man claims that something is impossible! then finds that God was right all along.

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We have? Like what?

Let's see...the Bible posits a geocentric solar system and a global flood <10,000 years ago. Science has shown both notions to be false. Who's catching up to whom?

I'm still waiting to see a four-legged insect.