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frogman2x
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The same way german sheperds breed with a different variety of dog. It's not a german shepherd and it is not the breed it mated with but they still produce a dog.
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Then how were wolves able to produce chihuahuas? Wolves are not chihuahuas, and chihuahuas are not wolves.
You seem to misunderstand evolution. No creature every produces anything other than what they are. The offspring of animals could always mate with its close forerunners. You seem to forget that evolution is a gradual process.
You are arguing in the same way that someone could argue that a person 70 years old could never have been two since the differences are so extreme. <<
Not at all. You are denying genetics. People naturally live longer than when they were born, that is the natural biological process. A species can live 100 years but it will ALWAYS produce "after its kind," because tge is the natural, proven, biological process, and the fossil record verifies it.
The change in species over time is very similar to the change of a person over time. The end product may look nothing like the initial product.
It is not. Aging and changing species is not a valid scientific comparison. The end produce may have differnt eye color or different hair color, etc, but the end product will be teh exact same species it starte as.
You have no proven examples that a A ever became a B.
If you do, trot it out along with the biological evidence that shows how it was possible.
k
No, the offspring of a dog-like animal eventually were whales.
Individuals do not evolved.
The same way german sheperds breed with a different variety of dog. It's not a german shepherd and it is not the breed it mated with but they still produce a dog.
kermit
I think it is you wh misunderstands evolution. If no creature ever produces anything other than what they are. evoluton cannot happen.
You have no proven examples that a A ever became a B.
I think the argument is that no one has ever observed this to happen. Your gradual evolution only exists on paper.
We do mate with apes and produce other mates all of the time. Your parents are apes, they produced you. My parents are apes, they produced me.
Now we cannot mate with other SPECIES of apes, but then chimpanzees cannot mate with gorillas, gorillas cannot mate with orangutans. Why do you think we should be able to do something that other apes cannot do?
Your problem is that you have no evidence as to how it happened.
Some evo sais it did, so you accepet by fatih alone.
If we came from apes, whe could still mate with them.
Chimps cant mate with gorillas because they are different species. Always was, always will be. Check the fossil record.
The same way german sheperds breed with a different variety of dog. It's not a german shepherd and it is not the breed it mated with but they still produce a dog.
kermit
We have shown you the fossil record many times, but you refuse to believe it. But we don't need the fossil record. we can see it happening in our own time.
Fifty years ago, there was a species of bird, the Greenish Warbler, that was spread out over most of Siberia. It was a single species, albeit a ring species. This means that although if you take a male from one flock and a female from another, distant flock, they probably will not be able to mate. But if you try to mate birds from nearby flocks, they can mate easily all throughout the population, so theoretically it would be possible to mongrelize the flocks until all could interbreed again.
But in the last fifty years there has been a lot of urbanization in Siberia and large sections of Warbler habitat has been lost, and with it the flocks from those habitats. In some cases that isolates other flocks, and there is no longer a "bridge" from them to the main group of flocks. There are no flocks in the main group with which they can interbreed. They are a separate population and as the generations pass, the differences between them and the others will only grow.
This is exactly how the lagomorphs split up into rabbits, hares, and jackrabbits.<<
You have not real evidence that they were not created different, You have no evidence they split up. You have no biological evidence and you have not fossil evidence.
It is how equines split up into horses, donkeys and zebras. It is how panthers split up into lions, tigers and leopards. And it is how African Apes split up into gorillas, chimpanzees, and humans. Yes, the Greenish Warblers are all still Greenish Warblers, even the isolated flocks. But then the lagomorphs are all still lagomorphs. The equines are all still equines. The panthers are all still panthers, and the apes (including humans) are all still apes.
If they are all still the same, where is the evolution? You do drealize that evolution respires a change of species, right?
kermit
No, we have observed small changes happen with every generation. In fact we can even measure the rate of those changes your genome has roughly 150 mutations from the genome supplied by your parents.
To deny that we have not seen the small changes is obviously false. To say that we have not observed major changes is false too.
Why do you keep making laughable mistakes?
Then show me a half-wolf, half-chihuahua.
You have no proven examples that a A ever became a B.
k
We are primates. Chimps are primates. Our common ancestor was a primate. It is primates producing primates.
We are mammals. Bears are mammals. Our common ancestor was a mammal. It is mammals producing mammals.
]We are vertebrates. Trout are vertebrates. Our common ancestor was a vertebrate. It is vertebrates producing vertebrates.
Evolution is fully capable of producing the biodiversity we see today while producing descendants that are what their ancestors were.
The usual evo comment. You say it happened but NEVER provide the biological evidences that tells HOW it can happen.
We have plenty of evidence that humans and apes share a common ancestor.
Then produce it.
Constructing primate phylogenies from ancient retrovirus sequences
They did not produce any biological evidence that would make it possible.
kermit
It is evidenced by the world around us.
Yeah, we do. It is written in our genomes which is a direct record of out ancestry. It happened through speciation followed by the accumulation of lineage specific mutations.
Evolution -- Transitional Hominids
We have the evidence, so no faith is required.
Chimps and orangutans can not mate, and yet they are still both apes.<<
That is because thee are several "kinds" of apes. If all apes came from the same seed, what cause those 2 "kinds" not to be able to mate?
You first. Please present evidence that chimps and gorillas were always different species.
They can't mate.
Your turn. Please provide the evidence that chimps and gorillas wer ever the same species.
k
Our genomes are diffeerent an there is no biological evidence that they wee eve the same.
also our DNA is different. How did that take place? Mutations do not add characteristics, they only alter the characteristic the kid would have gotten without the mustation.[/qutoe]
Then why are chimps and humans different? How do you explain that? If it isn't due to differences in our DNA, then what causes us to be different?
AGain, all you have done is say it is so.
I have shown that it is so.
The fossil record sdhow no such thing. Do oyou really not know that ehre are no intermediate fossils?
I just showed you the intermediate forms.
That is because thee are several "kinds" of apes. If all apes came from the same seed, what cause those 2 "kinds" not to be able to mate?
The accumulation of species specific mutations is what prevents interbreeding.
They can't mate.
How does that prove that they do not share a common ancestor?
Wonderful. Then it should ber easy for you to produce some of it.
kermit
Of course primae produce primatres, but ONLY in their same species. Lemurs are primates. Did we descent from them? Can a lemur produce a maremoset?
Of coures our ancestor was a mammal. We call them homo sapians. Bears NEVER produce a homo sapian and neither did a chimp.
You keep shooting yourself in the head. Of course our common ancestor was a vertebrate. The wer homo sapians. Were trout ever homo sapian?
The usual evo comment. You say it happened but NEVER provide the biological evidences that tells HOW it can happen.
They did not produce any biological evidence that would make it possible.
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