Why do we look so much like apes?

Assyrian said:

The reason you raised the idea of immortal dust in the first place was because of Paul's use of dust in 1Cor 15, so what Paul thought is very much the issue. I asked what you thought because you were quoting secular sources to make a claim about the immortality of dust that seem quite at odds with the tradition Christian view of this universe being temporal. Especially when you seemed so reticent to commit yourself to the idea. Showing that you as a Christian were uncomfortable with your argument was a stepping stone, clearing that argument out of the way, so we could get back to what Paul said.

Perhaps if you made a point from the 208 references rather than just linking to the verses.

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What could I add? Read them and draw your own conclusions.

SkyWriting said:

What could I add?

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A bit of exegesis showing they contradict what I said?

Read them and draw your own conclusions.

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One conclusion is that you haven't got an argument so you threw out a bunch of verses.

Another conclusion is the one I came to when I did a similar search for the word dust a few years ago, that dust is used in a few main ways in the bible, one is literal dirt 1Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the LORD fell and consumed the burnt offering and the wood and the stones and the dust. Or it is used with comparisons to physical qualities of dust the smallness of the particles or the huge numbers of them 2Sam 22:43 I beat them fine as the dust of the earth; Gen 28:14 Your offspring shall be like the dust of the earth.

Then you have the uses of dust that draw on a deeper significance of dust. It is a symbol of lowliness and humility either of the people who humbling themselves, God lifting the poor and lowly from the dust, or casting the proud down there. Joshua 7:6 And they put dust on their heads. 1Sam 2:8 He raises up the poor from the dust. Isaiah 47:1 Come down and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon.

Dust speaks of the limitations of our nature Gen 18:27 Abraham answered, “See now, I have taken it on myself to speak to the Lord, who am but dust and ashes. Psalm 103:14 For he knows our frame; he remembers that we are dust.

Dust describes our mortality what happens bodies and where they go when we die. Job 21:26 They lie down alike in the dust, and the worms cover them. Dan 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake. Psalm 90:3 You return man to dust and say, "Return, O children of man!" Psalm 104:29 when you take away their breath, they die and return to their dust. Eccles 3:20 All are from the dust, and to dust all return. Eccles 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was. Notice how the OT keep picking up on the association we saw back in Genesis that death is a return to the dust we were made from.

Paul was steeped in passages like these when he ascribes the mortality and perishability of our bodies to being formed from dust, that we are just like the man created form dust and we need to be transformed into the nature of the man from heaven so share in Christ's resurrection.

Assyrian said:

A bit of exegesis showing they contradict what I said?.....

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If I thought it important, I would have. You're doing fine.

SkyWriting said:

I'm trying to agree that
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Models for the Evolution of Ring Species

to understand the relative importance of reproductive isolating barriers and the evolution of "ring species".

How does the phylogeny of the greenish warblers around the Tibetan Plateau help us to understand the evolution of ring species?

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Well no, the links you're posting don't say that. In fact the opposite. There is evolution present, it's just not directly observed.

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johny122 said:

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Welcome. Hope you enjoy the conversations.

progmonk said:

Well no, the links you're posting don't say that. In fact the opposite. There is evolution present, it's just not directly observed.

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The links say that evolution is present, but not directly observed. OK.