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Crazy Liz said:I think GEL is referring to Matthew 16:19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Gold Dragon said:Yes. But what have those in search of these key identified as being those keys?
BT said:LOL that I'd like to know. If you're interested I bet you that Liz could tell you what that whole section on binding and loosing is all about. If you've never heard the true interpretation before you'd probably be surprised.
Uncle Bud said:From the title I figured it out, GD, can't you?
Catechism of the Catholic Church : The Power of the Keys
981 After his Resurrection, Christ sent his apostles "so that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations."526 The apostles and their successors carry out this "ministry of reconciliation," not only by announcing to men God's forgiveness merited for us by Christ, and calling them to conversion and faith; but also by communicating to them the forgiveness of sins in Baptism, and reconciling them with God and with the Church through the power of the keys, received from Christ:527
[The Church] has received the keys of the Kingdom of heaven so that, in her, sins may be forgiven through Christ's blood and the Holy Spirit's action. In this Church, the soul dead through sin comes back to life in order to live with Christ, whose grace has saved us.528
982 There is no offense, however serious, that the Church cannot forgive. "There is no one, however wicked and guilty, who may not confidently hope for forgiveness, provided his repentance is honest.529 Christ who died for all men desires that in his Church the gates of forgiveness should always be open to anyone who turns away from sin.530
983 Catechesis strives to awaken and nourish in the faithful faith in the incomparable greatness of the risen Christ's gift to his Church: the mission and the power to forgive sins through the ministry of the apostles and their successors:
The Lord wills that his disciples possess a tremendous power: that his lowly servants accomplish in his name all that he did when he was on earth.531 Priests have received from God a power that he has given neither to angels nor to archangels . . . . God above confirms what priests do here below.532
Were there no forgiveness of sins in the Church, there would be no hope of life to come or eternal liberation. Let us thank God who has given his Church such a gift.533
Catechism of the Catholic Church : Wounds to Unity
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
NASB - Matthew 16:13-20
Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?"
And they said, "Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets."
He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."
Then He warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.
My how magnanomous of them, as if it were actually up to them.Gold Dragon said:So while we may disagree with them about the keys being Catholic Tradition held by apostolic succession in the Pope and the Catholic Church, I think it is more fair to include the fact that Catholics recognize salvation outside of this succession and Tradition.
Uncle Bud said:My how magnanomous of them, as if it were actually up to them.
I don't know. But I have heard individual Christians say that they each have the keys. Why think they personally need to have them, I do not know.GreenEyedLady said:Why do some people think keys are nessacary for heaven when Jesus said, I am the door?
John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
IF we got the door, we don't need the keys right?
Thoughts?
So I guess I am wondering why it is "fair to include" the passage that they think there is salvation outside the succesion and tradition, when it has no bearing on the conversation.Gold Dragon said:It isn't up to them. But they acknowledge it.
Just like it isn't up to us if Catholics are saved, but we can acknowleged that some of them are.
Uncle Bud said:So I guess I am wondering why it is "fair to include" the passage that they think there is salvation outside the succesion and tradition, when it has no bearing on the conversation.
Catechism of the Catholic Church : Who belongs to the Catholic Church?
838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324
This is a misconception, lambslove, and I am not debating you, I am simply telling you that you are misinformed about the Catholic teaching on salvation. You, as a Protestant, do not have to adhere to or even agree with Catholic teaching in order to be saved, according to the Church.This is simply untrue.lambslove said:But doesn't catholicism say that a person has to agree that the catholic church is the one true church and has all authority on earth (the magisteriim) in order to be saved? Christians who do not acknowledge the magisterium of the catholic church cannot be saved. They agree that some of us are being saved, but only those who agree to catholicism's terms.
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