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Why do people reject Christ?

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There are several theories as to why people reject Christ. RT teaches that because they were not part of the preselected elect, they are unable to accept Christ due to the corruption and depravity resulting from the fall of Adam. This theory is a man-centered theory, for if we do not present the gospel effectively, it is not our fault, we do not need to strive to be more like Christ, since they were doomed from all eternity to reject the gospel and nothing we can do will alter that predestined outcome. This theory obsolves us of any responsiblity for failing to diligently serve Christ.

So if we set this theory aside, lets consider if another reason or reasons might exist for people rejecting Christ.

Jesus says, John 5:40, that people do not come to Christ, not because they are unable as RT teaches, but because they are unwilling and hence able. But why would people be unwilling to submit to Christ. One possibility is pride, human pride. Prideful people exalt themselves by building themselves up and tearing others down. So when we see folks rejecting Christ in scripture, do we see them tearing Christ down? Lets look at a few of the rejections recorded in the text.

Matthew 13:53 to 58 records the second visit of Jesus to his hometown, Mark 3:13 records his first visit perhaps a year or two earlier, where they said Jesus did His miracles by the power of the devil. But on this visit, at first, since Jesus had become well know as a teacher and a miracleworker, they were astonished. Now this word astonished does not suggest they were amazed, but rather concerned, as indicated by their first question, where did Jesus get this power? If they said, from God, they would have been humbling themselves and building Jesus up. But, since they took the opposite tact, they reveal their pride, their unwillingness (John 5:40) to submit to Jesus.

First, they disparage Him as only a Carpender's son, not a well born, rich or power person. Next they suggest he is just a man, just like them, no different, for His mother is here and his family, just like theirs. Then they ask the rhtorical question, where did Jesus get all these things, implying just like the rest of us, he is no different, no better, not someone we should accept as the Messiah, sent by God. Jesus did not do many miracles because their pride had pretty much shut down their willingness to believe, hence because of their unbelief.

Pride hides in a smokescreen, such as false humility, and changes its name, such as I acted the way I did because of peer pressure - which is just saying my pride required that I do whatever to be accepted in the eyes of men. Take a look at the next rejection, Matthew 14:1-12. Herod wanted to do something but was afraid of what others would think, but then when he was trapped by the scheme of Herodias, in the presence of his birthday party guests, his pride made him willing to kill Christ's messenger, to look good before his peers.

Another disguise used by pride is devotion to self. If we are devoted to ourselves, then we must give that up to be more devoted to Christ. We must be willing to suffer for Christ, and if changing diapers is just too much, what does that say?

If we study the rejections recorded in scripture, we find underlying them all are three reasons for rejection, (1) pride, (2) pride, and (3) pride. Why three? Because pride hides in a smokescreen of rationalization.
 

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Psalm 10:3-4, For the wicked boasts of his heart's desire, and the greedy man curses and spurns the Lord. The wicked, in haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him, All his thoughts are, "There is no God."

Obadiah 1:3, The arrogance of your heart has deceived you, You who dwell in the clefts of the rock, in the loftiness of your dwelling place, who say in your heart, "Who will bring me down to earth?"

Prideful people nit-pick at Jesus: Matthew 15:1-9

Prideful people frequently say they are offended, Matthew 15:11-12.

Prideful people ask for more evidence: Matthew 16:1-12, but Jesus says they have the sign of Jonah, which was a clear warning of a coming judgment if they do not repent based on the available information. In their pride they did not desire to repent, but rather than present their true position, they ask and ask and ask for more evidence. And what was the response of Jesus? To warn to steer clear of the teachings of prideful men.

Mark 12:38-39, "And after His teaching He was saying: "beware of the scribes who like to walk around in long robes, and like respectful greetings in the market place, and the chief seats in the synagugues, and places of honor at banquets.

Why do people reject Christ? Pride masked in many forms.

And if we know the underlying reason for rejection of God's truth, and we can read the tell-tale signs, what should be our response. Give up and say they were already perishing? Or give ourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because we know, assuming we do not buy the RT doctrine, that our work is not in vain. God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.
 
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It is the same struggle as a Christian sinning I think. It is all about me, what I want and putting my own selfish desires above what is right.
Submitting oneself to the will of another, even to the Lord, is not easy even as a Christian.

BTW I think that is another way of looking at or describing pride, especially foolish pride. Thanks Van.
 
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How can they do anything but reject Christ; until God calls them.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me.

1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):

Romans 3:11 There is one that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
 
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In order to reject Christ, dear Ben12, one has to have heard the gospel. You do not reject until you hear the call of the gospel -whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

The word translated draw means to attract by means of displaying lovingkindness. We love Him because He first loved us. No greater display of God's lovingkindness exists than Christ high and lifted up.

If we have heard and learned from the Father, we are receptive to the gospel of Christ, for all who have heard and learned come to Christ, John 6:45.

The point of this thread is not to debate the RT position, but to look at scripture to see what scripture teaches as the reason folks reject Christ. And the answer from scripture is pride.

There are none who seek after the righteousness of God by the works of the Law for by the Law no flesh is justified. This is Paul's truth from Romans 3. Now why would folks seek by the works of the Law, but to support the premise that they are "earning" their salvation. Pride from beginning to end.
 
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How about those who are attracted to Christ, like the rich young ruler, yet are unable to fully commit to Christ. Do they not make a calculation in their hearts, and come up with a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Note it is a value to themselves judgment, what is the best course for me! Contrast this with those willing to humble themselves and take the best course for God.
 
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I agree with you the reason for this debate is why people reject the gospel. Billions upon billions have not heard the gospel and it is not just pride. Many hear the gospel and reject it for many reasons; such as over zealous religion; being taught a certain way or religion or j carnally earthy minded. Even more have never heard the gospel such as in Communist Russian, China, and Islam etc.

The main reasons people reject the gospel is they are spiritually dead in trespasses and sin and a dead man naturally cannot see, hear, touch, and taste spiritual reality. Only when The Holy Spirit draws them can they come to the father; we are saved by God’s grace not freewill.
John 3:16 is an awesome verse; but it must happen by God’s grace.


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me.

1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):


Draw:

I just double checked my Strong’s and found nine different examples of the word draw and the correct word is (helko NT 1670) in the above two verses .


DRAW (AWAY, BACK, NIGH, ON, OUT, UP)
A) In the sense of "dragging, pulling, or attracting":

1. anabibazo NT:307, a causal form of anabaino, "to go up," denotes, lit., "to make go up, cause to ascend" (ana, "up," bibazo, "to cause to mount"), hence, "to draw a boat up on land," Matt 13:48.

2. helko NT:1670 is translated "to draw" in the KJV, of Acts 21:30 and James 2:6; see DRAG, No. 2.

3. suro NT:4951: see DRAG, No. 1.

4. spao NT:4685, "to draw or pull," is used, in the middle voice of "drawing" a sword from its sheath, Mark 14:47; Acts 16:27.

5. anaspao NT:385, ana, "up," and No. 4, "to draw up," is used of "drawing" up an animal out of a pit, Luke 14:5 (RV, "draw up"; KJV, "pull out"), and of the "drawing" up of the sheet into heaven, in the vision in Acts 11:10.

6. apospao NT:645, apo, "from," and No. 4, "to draw away," lit., "to wrench away from," is used of a sword, Matt 26:51, of "drawing" away disciples into error, Acts 20:30; of Christ's "withdrawal" from the disciples, in Gethsemane, Luke 22:41, KJV, "was withdrawn," RV, "was parted" (or "was reft away from them"); of "parting" from a company, Acts 21:1 (KJV, "were gotten," RV, "were parted"). See GET, PART.

7. antleo NT:501 signified, primarily, "to draw out a ship's bilgewater, to bale or pump out" (from antlos, "bilge-water"), hence, "to draw water" in any way (ana, "up" and a root, tel--, "to lift, bear"), John 2:8-9; 4:7,15.

Note: In John 4:11, "to draw with" translates the corresponding noun antlema, "a bucket for drawing water by a rope."

8. exelko NT:1828, ek, "out of," and No. 2, "to draw away, or lure forth," is used metaphorically in James 1:14, of being "drawn away" by lust. As in hunting or fishing the game is "lured" from its haunt, so man's lust "allures" him from the safety of his self-restraint.

9. anatassomai NT:392, "to arrange in order," is used in Luke 1:1, RV, "to draw up" (some interpret the word to mean to "bring together" from memory assisted by the Holy Spirit).
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, Copyright (c)1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)
 
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Hi Ben12,

I can insert attract in the verses that say draw just as you insert drag. Strong's has two meanings for the word, literal or physical to drag, and metaphorically to attract or lead. It is pointless to assert your choice over mine or my choice over yours. So can we return to the topic, what does the bible say on the subject of rejecting Christ?

Now lets take your observation that people reject Christ because they have not heard and learned from the Father, John 6:45. Very true. That is why when the gospel is presented in Acts, when the audience is primarily Jew, the presentation starts with Christ, but when the audience is primarily Gentile, the presentation starts with "the unnamed God." But consider this, why not turn loose of the prior beliefs and embrace the person that actually rose from the dead? You got it, Pride. So pride does not prevent a person from hearing the gospel, but pride plays the key role in not learning from the Father, not accepting the revelation of God.

So far we have folks unwilling to submit to God and His Christ because (1) unwilling to turn loose of worldly treasures (2) unwilling to turn loose of prior false beliefs. And pride undergirds both issues.
 
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Lets look at Luke 6:22. A person presents the gospel and some of those who hear do what? They hate you, they ostracise you - you are cast out of the click of those holding prior beliefs - they insult you, and they scorn your name as evil. So this verse is consistent with pride undergirding this behavior. They tear down the messenger of God to build themselves up.
 
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Number one it isn't a theory it is scripture. Two, This is a very weak excuse for rejecting Reformed Theology. We are in no way obsolved of the responsibility for failing to diligently serve Christ. We are to serve Christ because we were commanded to do it. We do not spread the gospel so that we can save anyone. That is not our ministry. I did not spend 13 years in Mexico because I felt like if I didn't go they would die and go to Hell. They had been going to Hell for hundreds of years. I went because God laid it on my heart and I obeyed.

Some say that if God is choosing who will and who will not go to Heaven then that is unjust because how can someone who wasn't chosen be accountable. Therefore it would be unjust for God to not choose someone and then send them to Hell. They believe that man can hear the gospel and choose himself to be saved or reject it.

Yet those same people have to admit that there are millions of lost people that have never had the chance to hear the gospel even one time and God has not sent a missionary to them so that they can hear the gospel. They are still dying in their sin without a chance to hear the message of salvation yet they are still accountable. They are saying the same thing in a different way. Either He didn't ordain them to eternal life as the RT people say, or He didn't send them a preacher so they could hear and believe the gospel. Either way they are going to Hell in their sin and accountable for it.

Your view is a humanistic view that gives man the glory he does not deserve. It is man centered to believe that man in his lost condition can do anything of any spiritual significance. Especially since the Word of God tells us that he can't.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I have heard all kinds of reasonings of what this natural man is but if you look back at verse 11 you will see that no man knows the things of God but the Spirit. So how can a lost man who does not have the Spirit of God know the things of God that are required for salvation to take place?
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Man in his lost condition is an enemy to Christ. He can not understand the things of God. He doesn't seek after God because he doesn't care anything about Him. He is unprofitable to God because he can do no good.
Romans 3:11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips:
14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness:
15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood:
16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways:
17 And the way of peace have they not known:
18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. It is really crazy to think that lost man, who has a dead spirit, can understand a message that is spiritual in nature. It doesn't make sense.

Gljca
 
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So far we have folks unwilling to submit to God and His Christ because (1) unwilling to turn loose of worldly treasures (2) unwilling to turn loose of prior false beliefs. And pride undergirds both issues.

yep, those are the reasons, other than those who haven't heard the gospel yet. this also goes for those who have heard the gospel and still reject for those very reasons. scared it will take all their fun away.
 
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I do not agree nor do I find your comment anywhere in Strong’s when it comes to John 6:44. Below is the lay out of Nelsons Numbers for John 6:44.


John 6:44
44
3762 1410 2064 4314 3165 3362 3588 3962
No man can come to me, except the Father

3588 3992 3165 1670 846 2504 450 846
which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise up him

1722 3588 2078 2250
at the last day.
(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft)


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me.

1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively):
 
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The point of this thread is not to debate the RT position, but to look at scripture to see what scripture teaches as the reason folks reject Christ. And the answer from scripture is pride.

now, this is it in a nutshell for me. what do the scriptures say. not what does world philosophy say.

i muse at christians who deliberately misunderstand and take offence at what the scriptures say. then use semantics to argue the point. it is taken as a personal affront when what it really happening is conviction by the scriptures.

no one convicts anyone. it is the truth in the scriptures that convict.
 
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My point is very simple. God draws/drags which is totally contrary to the religious tradition that teaches man has freewill towards salvation. Just because these verses were in those the gospels does not mean his concept not be found later in the Bible.

O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" (Jer. 10:23).

Freewill is not a scritural word; just made up by religion. Freewill is just another doctrine to put man in the driver’s seat; this is God’s will; His Word and all of God’s will will be accomplished.

Romans 9:12 It was said to her that the elder [son] should serve the younger [son]) 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in [1] relative disregard in comparison with My feeling for Jacob).) 14 What shall we conclude then? Is there injustice upon God's part? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will have compassion (pity) on whom I will have compassion.) 16 So then [God's gift] is not a question of human will and human effort, but of God's mercy. [It depends not on one's own willingness nor on his strenuous exertion as in running a race, but on God's having mercy on him.] 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, I have raised you up for this very purpose of displaying My power in [dealing with] you, so that My name may be proclaimed the whole world over. 18 So then He has mercy on whomever He wills (chooses) and He hardens (makes stubborn and unyielding the heart of) whomever He wills. 19 You will say to me, Why then does He still find fault and blame us [for sinning]? For who can resist and withstand His will?
 
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Ben12, my point is very simple, the word you believe only means to drag, also means to attract. As I said, the lexicons provide two meanings, a literal meaning and a metaphorical meaning.

Jeremiah 10:23 is consistent with walking within the purview created by God.

Freewill is a scriptural word, does freewill offering ring a bell, Exodus 35:29 or Dueteronomy 12:6?


I have already demonstrated that Romans 9:16 does not refer to the finished work of Christ applicable to all, for He paid the ransom for all, but to God crediting our faith as righteousness and spiritually placing us in Christ.

Let's consider Mark 8:31: "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again." So why must the Son of Man be rejected? To fulfill the prophecy of Isaiah 52:13-53:12! But since this prophecy has been fulfilled, is this reason applicable to those who reject Christ today? Nope.
 
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Oh I understand the Freewill offering in the OT and have even mentioned it in past post; my point is has nothing to do with and OT Feast; they are awesome types. My point and aways has been there is no freewill towards salvation. Men reject Christ not because of pride; but because they are carnal and have not the spiritual ability to come to Christ until the father draws them. They are dead spiritual from the sin of Adam.
 
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Hi Ben12, I know that is the RT position, but this thread was supposed to look at the reasons given by scripture for men rejecting Christ.

The Greek word translated draw in John 6:44 and John 12:32 means attract by a display of lovingkindness.

I have cited serveral verses that address the rejection of Christ, do you have any comments on those verses or do you agree with me that pride undergirds the reasons so far addressed in scripture?

How about Acts 7:39, "Our fathers were unwilling to be obedient to him, but repudiated him and in their hearts truned back to Egypt." Now this refers to Moses, but the idea of the passage is that Christ is a prophet like Moses. Note Acts 7:51. Rather than say, Oh we have no spiritual ability, and therefore could not do otherwise, they were cut to the quick and began gnashing their teeth at him.

This is the testamony of Seven, who was put to death for proclaiming the gospel. So what can we draw from this, that a group mentality resisted the truth, and this resistence was based on pride, a desire to look good among their circle of friends.
 
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amen

2 cor 4:3-6

matt 16:17 when did peter meat the Father? van...
 
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