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Why do Atheists not want to consider FineTuning ?

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If you imply that life could evolve in any conditions as long as it evolves to fit the environment, why is earth the only planet with life in the solar system?

"life can evolve to fit any conditions" wasn't the claim either.

We actually don't know what range of conditions life can exist in. We have one good example of it and not very much of the known universe explored.
 
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I didn't realize that it has been Verified that their is No life anywhere else in the solar system.

We haven't found any. There might be microbes somewhere on Titan or Europa, but really.
 
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If you imply that life could evolve in any conditions as long as it evolves to fit the environment, why is earth the only planet with life in the solar system?

Please don't put words in my mouth....it only serves to weaken your argument.

My quoting of Douglas Adams' puddle analogy was to illustrate the incredibly arrogant view of those who think that the universe has been designed with them in mind.

Life arose here because an environment existed in which this particular form of life was able to establish......not the other way around...

And....finely tuned....? Designed....? Consider this....

We live on a planet where only about 4% of it is able to support our survival.....some design...

We are slowly but surely losing our moon, as its orbit steadily escapes our gravity.......some design.

Our planet is/ has been regularly struck by objects from space, resulting in widespread destruction.....some design.

We live on the thin crust of a cooling planet, resulting in frequent earthquakes and volcanic disturbances.....some design.

It is debatable which will happen first - our sun running out of fuel, or the collision of our system wit the Andromeda Galaxy.....some design.
 
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If you imply that life could evolve in any conditions as long as it evolves to fit the environment, why is earth the only planet with life in the solar system?
If the water fits this pothole perfectly just because the shape makes it fit, why are there potholes without water in them?
 
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Why would a god bother with all this ^^^, but decides to Ctrl+Alt+Del her "good" creation and start all over again, only to end up with seven billion people just like the ones he already decimated? No, it's more likely you're using confirmation bias to construct a case for your god.
 
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The fine tuning argument is nothing more than the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy. I could use the same argument to show that the last 10 lottery results were fine tuned so that 10 specific people would win.

Even more importantly, no one can even show that it was fine tuned for us. For all we know, the universe was fine tuned to produce humans that could house the all important E. coli bacteria that the designer is actually interested in.
 
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If you say the world requires a creator and that creator is your God, I would ask; who created your God? If you say your God does not require a creator than maybe the world does not need a creator either.

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And...when you ask for proof of MultiVerses , they are quick to either get off the subject and/or start up with hostility and mockery attempts.
Who needs proof? Do you need "proof" of God?
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If the water fits this pothole perfectly just because the shape makes it fit, why are there potholes without water in them?

Because the water only fell into that one, from rain? Implies an external source.
 
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Of course the real question is: could life on another planet be the same as life here on Planet Earth. Some people say the universal laws are the same so life is going to be the same. Other people say it is all chance and even if you were to start all over here on earth you would end up with totally different results.
 
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We would never expect life on another planet, which originated and evolved independetly of us, would be the same as life on Earth. Even life on different continents is different after just a relatively short period of isolation.

To use an analogy, if you took two human populations, wiped their memory, and allowed them to start separate colonies on separate planets, would you expect both of them to develop the same exact language? Of course not, right?
 
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We would never expect life..... would be the same as life on Earth.
If you look at Stars they are different, some bigger, some smaller, older, younger, perhaps even different elements, but still Stars are made up of all the same elements. I know there is a theory that life does not have to be carbon based. Still it would be reasonable to expect that we could find carbon based life on other planets. Some people believe both theorys are true. Some planets have life very much like on Earth and in some places life is very different from what you would find here on Earth. Science fiction if filled with guesses of what alternate life forms may look like.
 
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If you look at Stars they are different, some bigger, some smaller, older, younger, perhaps even different elements, but still Stars are made up of all the same elements.

There are 8 planets in our solar system, and none are exactly like Earth.

I know there is a theory that life does not have to be carbon based. Still it would be reasonable to expect that we could find carbon based life on other planets.

But we wouldn't expect to see rhinos, giraffes, and great white sharks. We would expect evolution to take a different course from the very start. There is nothing in the laws of physics that requires that bison evolve, or that stingrays evolve. Even the basic genetic and metabolic systems that make up all of life on Earth could be different on another planet, even if that life is carbon based.

We could even look at Earth species for examples of evolution taking different routes. The eyes of vertebrates and octopus are a perfect example. As it turns out, the retina in vertebrates faces backwards while the retina in octopus face forward (as well as in other cephalopods). Each retina also originates from a different type of tissue. These eyes evolved independently, and in doing so found different solutions for the same problem. We would expect life on another planet to do the same, but much more dramatically since they will be evolving independently from the very start.

Science fiction if filled with guesses of what alternate life forms may look like.

Science fiction uses humanoids for alien lifeforms because it tells a better story, not because it is scientifically sound. I would be careful taking lessons away from SF.
 
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This has always been my favorite refutation of the fine-tuning argument...

" Then we must ask why God needed to even bother with awkward designs like the flawed and ridiculously concocted ones we see in nature; why, for instance, did God give us skin as protection from germs and foreign particles, and yet not make us to thrive on what we know as harmful radiation? Or, if God gave us ears to hear with, noses to smell with, eyes to see with, taste buds to taste with, and nerve cells to feel with, then why did he only give us those senses? Why not also the ability to see gamma radiation and rays of light not visible to the human eye? We see them with telescopes, we detect them with finer instruments, so why not with the eye? God was not limited in having to create cardboard creatures as flimsy as ourselves. He could have made us to exist and thrive in black holes or within the hearts of blue stars, and yet he went through the senseless trouble to create (or some would stupidly say, “evolve”) these bundles of bunions called human bodies. Words don’t describe the asininity of it."

" And this is the real foolishness of the fine-tuning argument—its limited focus. Just look at how much of the universe is inhospitable to any type of life. If the universe was fine-tuned for life, why is there so little life in it? Why is most of our world trying to kill us, let alone all of space and time beyond this odorous outhouse called Earth? Not even a seedling can grow and thrive on Mars, and yet Mars is the closest to habitable planet in this solar system we have knowledge of outside of our own. This realization makes our own evolution rather unique and spits on the dumb notion that the universe has been tailor-made as an environment for the growth of carbon life forms (and even more arrogantly, for the growth of the human race, so that we may fight and quarrel and give credit to a fictitious being for its existence)." ---Joe Holman

I think I like this explanation because you don't need to understand the mathematics of the argument to understand why its wrong. The fine-tuning of this universe is a lot less "fine" than the OP would have you believe.

Anyone interested in reading the entire debunking that I pulled those quotes from need only PM me for the link.
 
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...snip....

Anyone interested in reading the entire debunking that I pulled those quotes from need only PM me for the link.

You really should provide the source when pulling large quotes, without having to ask for them.
 
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