Why did your God kill all the animals?

TheLocalSkeptic · Jun 29, 2007

During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have the animals. They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

porterross · Jun 29, 2007

It wasn't murder. The animals belonged to God, as do we and all that exists, and all are at the mercy of His will.

Everything that lives has to die, does it not?

Does anyone of us have a guarantee of when, where or how our lives will end?

He created everything that has life and He has the power to take it away. Just like your parents have the authority to give and take things and privileges away from you.

TheLocalSkeptic · Jun 30, 2007

porterross said:
It wasn't murder. The animals belong to God, as do we and all that exists, and all are at the mercy of His will.

So, if God told you to kill fifteen babies, you would do it? That would be ok with you? Because it's God? Would you then state that you killing those fifteen children wasn't murder? Does this quibbling in any rate answer my question? Why did your God kill all the animals?

porterross said:
Everything that lives has to die, does it not?

So then murderers are completely justified! After all, everything dies eventually. The murderer just killed the guy a little sooner than he would have previously. Just because something is going to die eventually doesn't make it right to kill them, under most circumstances. (I said "under most circumstances "so that you couldn't try and twist my words to mean that you shouldn't abort or put suffering people out of their misery)

porterross said:
Does anyone of us have a guarantee of when, where or how our lives will end

Ermm... OK? That makes God's killing justified... how?

porterross said:
He created everything that has life and He has the power to take it away.

So then Andrea Yates, the woman who drowned her five children, was morally justified? Andrea Yates gave her children life, and so should be able to take it away, correct?

français · Jun 30, 2007

Why is it that when one person on a sports team makes the team loose, the entire team usually has to run as a punishment for a loss?

why is it that if one kid steals all the candy from the teacher, no kid can get candy anymore?

that's life. it is nothing out of the ordinary.

porterross · Jun 30, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
So, if God told you to kill fifteen babies, you would do it? That would be ok with you? Because it's God? Would you then state that you killing those fifteen children wasn't murder? Does this quibbling in any rate answer my question? Why did your God kill all the animals?

So then murderers are completely justified! After all, everything dies eventually. The murderer just killed the guy a little sooner than he would have previously. Just because something is going to die eventually doesn't make it right to kill them, under most circumstances. (I said "under most circumstances "so that you couldn't try and twist my words to mean that you shouldn't abort or put suffering people out of their misery)

Ermm... OK? That makes God's killing justified... how?

So then Andrea Yates, the woman who drowned her five children, was morally justified? Andrea Yates gave her children life, and so should be able to take it away, correct?

Your stretching and suppositions as well as your vocabulary is awfully advanced for a 13 year old, but as your stay here is most likely short-lived, what the heck!

Animals are not human beings, but even so, God does not and cannot commit murder, so your analogies and questions are illogical, if not ridiculous. All that exists belongs to God and will exist or cease as it pleases Him. It's a simple concept.

Our children are not ours, they belong to God. Parents have authority over them, but they do not have the right to take the life that was given by God to begin with.

calidog · Jun 30, 2007

It's Gods creation, He can and will destroy it as He chooses:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Pe 3:11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

ebia · Jun 30, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have the animals. They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

It's a story designed to tell us something about God and the world, not a factual account. Focusing on the problems with the details is treating it as the wrong genre.

MethodMan · Jun 30, 2007

Please keep in mind, this is not a debate forum

Sketcher · Jun 30, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
So, if God told you to kill fifteen babies, you would do it? That would be ok with you? Because it's God? Would you then state that you killing those fifteen children wasn't murder? Does this quibbling in any rate answer my question? Why did your God kill all the animals?

So then murderers are completely justified! After all, everything dies eventually. The murderer just killed the guy a little sooner than he would have previously. Just because something is going to die eventually doesn't make it right to kill them, under most circumstances. (I said "under most circumstances "so that you couldn't try and twist my words to mean that you shouldn't abort or put suffering people out of their misery)

Ermm... OK? That makes God's killing justified... how?

So then Andrea Yates, the woman who drowned her five children, was morally justified? Andrea Yates gave her children life, and so should be able to take it away, correct?

The fundamental flaw in your arguments is that the examples you bring up are people killing, and the question is about God killing. God has the right to take life Himself, since He made it. He can raise the dead if He chooses. People do not share this power, or this right. God has the right to kill for whatever reason; Andrea Yates does not. God does not give people permission to kill unless they are government authorities following due process of law, or unless they need to protect their families from robbers.

heron · Jun 30, 2007

Everything that lives has to die, does it not?

Optimal life span of a hamster -- 4 years
Optimal life span of an anole lizard -- 3 years
Optimal life span of an opossum -- 4 years

I know this doesn't hold up with larger animals, so it's not fair of me. But animals and people die every day of unexpected causes.

God warned that a flood would take place. Other people had the same opportunity to save animals as Noah did -- everyone in town knew what he was doing -- but they chose to scoff instead.

"The land was filled with violence/cruelty/injustice." I would imagine there were victims crying out, Why isn't God doing anything to stop these abusers?

We all see radar of hurricanes on their way to land; do we get on the phone to invite future evacuees to stay with us (with their parakeets)? Instead, people catch flights toward the storm so they can surf.

We could blame God for the hurricanes, but we know in advance that they're coming. And God warned people about the flood.

heron · Jun 30, 2007

So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

How many times have we swatted flies, sprayed wasps, suffocated mosquito larvae, set mouse traps, poured juice down an ant hole (what -- you haven't?), ordered an exterminator, hunted deer, fished for fun, purchased beef, swallowed a spider in our sleep, poured bleach to kill microorganisms, let hydra dry out on microscope slides, mail-ordered ladybugs to eat the other bugs...

WashedBytheSon · Jul 2, 2007

Essentially, God was starting over. The people had become corrupt, and the lives of animals could continue if some from every species survived. It wouldn't be very practical to take every animal into the ark. It's not murder if it is an animal. Animals die every day, do you protest animals killing each other?

OldChurchGuy · Jul 2, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have the animals. They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

I believe that Ebia's understanding is correct. The story is symbolic rather than literal. Understand, I cannot prove it is symbolic nor can I prove that a literal interpretation is correct. But, after study and prayer, I come down on the side of symbolism.

The cause for this wholesale destruction was the Nephilim were making earth women pregnant. Before you ask, I don't believe there is consensus as to what the Nephilim were. Some think they were angels that fell from heaven. Others think they were just super strong and tall people. There is good article in Wikipedia about the Nephilim if you are interested.

Sorry I couldn't give you the definitive final answer. Good question, though.

Now that you have seen various responses, what is your interpretation of the Flood story in Genesis?

Sincerely,

OldChurchGuy

Digit · Jul 2, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark.

Actually there were 2 of every unclean animal on the ark and 14 of every clean animal. There were not just two animals on the ark, nor 2 of every kind.

TheLocalSkeptic said:
So, why was that? What did God have the animals.

Why did God cleanse the land? Have you read the parable? Because man was sinful and wicked in his ways, and had contaminated everything with his sin.

TheLocalSkeptic said:
They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives.

Animals are not spiritual beings, they have a soul as in the Hebrew word nephesh, which means breath. As in they are alive, yet we have eternal spirits, which when we die ascends, whilst animals go back to the earth.

TheLocalSkeptic said:
So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

Well first of all He is not our God. He is God. Whether you believe He is or not, is irrespective. If you stand in the road and don't believe in traffic, it will still hit you. Doesn't make it any less real. If you acknowledge the fact that He killed all the animals and people as you do here, you need to acknowledge that He is God. I'm weary of this your God - my no God thing. He simply is God.

Secondly He did it because the land was rife with sin. Man was wicked and his heart was turned to evil from the moment he was born until the day he died, yet in this particular story, man had let sin consume him and it was throughout the land. So God cleansed the land and saved the one man who had fround grace in God, Noah and his family. From there he started over, and also promised not to do the same thing again.

To be honest, the answer is right in the Bible, I would suggest picking it up and giving it a read, try the NIV as it's written in pretty plain English.

Cheers!
Digit

Merlin · Jul 6, 2007

The animals were contaminated by human cross-breeding.
So, God was purifying the various species.

'Kill' is a human concept, since the non-biological component of life is eternal.

MrDave · Jul 6, 2007

obviously, since there are still animals. God didn't kill all the humans either.

But.... For we know that the WHOLE CREATION groaneth and {travaileth} in pain together until now.

Due to the sin of Adam, all of creation that lives, lives under the SAME DEATH SENTENCE.

And as it is {appointed} unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Animals and plants do not face judgement after death, but humans do since humans are made in the likeness of God. Body, Soul and Spirit.

All the animals, plants and humans killed in the flood, would have died someday, just that day came sooner then expected for most.

The real question should be, why did God spare any of the people, animals and plants? God the creator has every right to destroy all of His creation, but through His love of His creation, He decided to provide a SAVIOR for those who would choose to obey.

If you want to be a skeptic, how about criticizing or doing something about man-kind who kill humans before they are even born.

Remember, God also said: For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, And knew not until the {flood} came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

And in another place:Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

You should be MORE concerned about YOUR eternal destiny and not be concerned about when animals die.

DECISION DETERMINES DESTINY

Aibrean · Jul 6, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
So, if God told you to kill fifteen babies, you would do it? That would be ok with you?

Well God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac and he went through with it but then God stopped his hand at the last second.

MrDave · Jul 6, 2007

You might not agree, but God is your God too.

mpok1519 · Jul 8, 2007

Well, if you interpret the Bible that way, then you have not a valid question.

The story of Gilgamesh follows along the same lines of Noah. some say the two are one and the same.

God did flood the 'world(known world), and historically a person did shepard a bunch of animals to a boat to save them from the huge regional flood. who this person was is up to debate, but many scholars do believe it was an account of an actual event in history.

I don't necessarily think he had two of EVERY animal on that ark, because if you read the Bible and understand the exact dimensions of the Ark, you'll learn that there simply was not enough room to fit two of EVERY animal on the ark.

Also, if only two of every animal existed at one point, they would have all died because that would led to inbreeding, which nintey-nine percent of the time leads to fatal genetic disorders.

No, I don't think God killed all the animals on earth. Think about it. North America had no landbridge to Asia at this point in history. The animals in north america could not have swum from Alaska to Asia. Nor could all the animals on the ark walk all the way back to north america. Also, alot of geaological evidence would be presented if the entire earth was flooded, and no such evidence exists.

GoodNewsJournalist · Jul 8, 2007

TheLocalSkeptic said:
During the Noah's Ark episode, not only did God kill all the human beings, but all the animals that lived on land too, except for the two on the Ark. So, why was that? What did God have the animals. They had no original sin, considering that they had not eaten from the tree of Good/Evil when Yahweh told them not to, they couldn't be punished for not believing in Yahweh, simply because animals don't seem to need religion in their lives. (Have you ever heard of a penguin praying? No, the idea seems silly.) So, why did your God decide that he needed to murder all the animals as well as the humans?

Why did he kill the men? They were Nephilim, which entamological breakdown is Nephal - cast down ones, and im - sons/people of.

So the Nephilim are the sons of the cast down ones. Read the Book of Enoch to understand what they are. They were evil to the core.

The animals, simple. Nephilim spirits don't go to hell like human spirits do. They have an agreement with death and hell, so the roam the earth as demonic spirits. The fewer animals around, the fewer hosts the Nephilim spirits had to enter into, and the less havoc they would wreak after the flood receeded.

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