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Why did Jesus die on the cross?

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I sort of like George MacDonald's understanding of salvation:

 
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SDA apparently is not OSAS. You are, as am I. He quoted the you can fall away stuff.

PS, remember if you fall away it's impossible to bring you back (Heb.)

That is not the part I was highlighting. To be honest, I do not think I fully grasps the scripture but the point that I can clearly get from it, is that it is possible to fall away.
 
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I think an overemphasis on Jesus' death as appeasing God's wrath makes Christianity out to be a Satanic death cult. I'd rather see Jesus' death and resurrection as enabling our spiritual rebirth in which we grow in his likeness.
This understanding of salvation is rooted in Scripture and the early church.
 
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Well you said you agree when I said that faith is not something comes automatically but originally you kinda said it did. So I was asking if you were going to clarify that.

Faith doesn't come automatically except through God's gracious work in us.
 
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This is interesting:

 
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As Christians, we can either passively believe in Jesus' death and resurrection or we can strive to live within that narrative. The early church understood Jesus' death as our moral example and his resurrection as the power which enables us to follow him. Is being born again a one time event or a lifelong process?
 
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Does that mean that you do not see Jesus' death as him paying the penalty for our sins?
 
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It might seem scandalous to say this but we are saved by works. We are saved by the works of Christ lived out through us. Saving faith in Jesus produces the life of Jesus in us.

If we don't Christ work through our lives now, we may need to in the age to come:

Purgatory Explained by Greg Boyd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRM_Kn2PQsU
 
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It might seem scandalous to say this but we are saved by works. We are saved by the works of Christ lived out through us. Saving faith in Jesus produces the life of Jesus in us.

I see where you are coming from but I agree more with your last sentence rather than your first. You cannot have saving faith if you are not saved. If you are saved you will produce the life of Jesus in yourself.

But still though, do you believe that Jesus didn't pay the penalty for our sins?
 
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From a Scriptural and early Christian perspective, the forgiveness of sin is only the beginning of a lifelong process.

Ok. But this doesn't really answer my question, in my opinion. Maybe you did but I cannot see the answer. Try a yes or a no and then an explanation. I don't require a one word answer but at least I want to be clear.
 
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What is the meaning and purpose of Christ's death on the cross? Are we saved by grace through faith in Christ's work on the cross? If abstention from sin is necessary for salvation, why did Jesus die on our behalf?
A wise man once said to me "Go to the sanctuary". That was usually his answer for most of my questions, and guess what, all of my answers were found there.


No offense, but honestly what "we'd rather see Jesus' death" as won't change what His death was for. Focusing on the death of Christ properly will lead to a greater walk with God. It doesn't make Christianity a "satanic cult" rather it reveals (A)The very heinous nature of sin, and (B)the boundless depths of the love of God. The penalty for sinned remained, and it had to be paid. Christ's death fulfilled the penalty for sin thus allowing salvation to be extended to all of humanity.
 
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