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philadiddle said:Seriously, why did it take God 6 whole days to make everything? why not in an instant? the God i worship is certainly capable of that so y would He need to slowly drag it out over 6 whole days? and why would God need to rest? isn't He God? you believe He needs to rest? i think this whole 6 day thing takes away from the awesome power and glory found in God because He is capable of doing all that in an instant.
so, the point of the genesis account is that it's a model for man. (well, at least 1 of the points)XianJedi said:God used six days because it was a model for man's work week (Exodus 20:11).
so are u implying that the ppl of that day understood it wasn't meant to be literal? if they could accept it wasn't literal, y can't u?Willtor said:Early on, Augustine thought He did create the world, instantaneously. Same with Anslem, if I recall.
there are many christian scientists who don't buy into YEC. many christian scientists contributed greatly to old earth, old universe, and evolution.Willtor said:But the typical view is that God created the world with a natural order, and that observation and reason really are useful tools in exploring that order. Hence, Christians of a scientific persuasion.
so if God doesn't always act in the most expedient way, why is evolution so hard to swallow?Willtor said:In response to why He didn't, that is a big question, indeed. I think most responses are speculative at best. But it might be beneficial to point out that God doesn't always act in the most expedient way. There's nothing wrong with expedience, per se, but we can't assume that this is God's philosophy.
philadiddle said:. . .
so are u implying that the ppl of that day understood it wasn't meant to be literal? if they could accept it wasn't literal, y can't u?
there are many christian scientists who don't buy into YEC. many christian scientists contributed greatly to old earth, old universe, and evolution.
so if God doesn't always act in the most expedient way, why is evolution so hard to swallow?
As you stated, there are multiple lessons of the creation account. Yes, the model of the work week is one such lesson.philadiddle said:so, the point of the genesis account is that it's a model for man. (well, at least 1 of the points)
There are always people of every time period who have varying views on the interpretation of Scripture. There are people who reject all of Scripture entirely. Just because some people have had that view doesn't mean it's a view we should also embrace.so are u implying that the ppl of that day understood it wasn't meant to be literal? if they could accept it wasn't literal, y can't u?
Same as last point.there are many christian scientists who don't buy into YEC. many christian scientists contributed greatly to old earth, old universe, and evolution.
Actually, I would disagree with Willtor's comment. "Expedient" doesn't mean "fastest". It basically means "most suitable for the circumstances". And I would say that God always takes the most suitable course of action.so if God doesn't always act in the most expedient way, why is evolution so hard to swallow?
Go read it again. I never said that.shernren said:Why should not taking scripture "literally" amount to rejecting it?
Framework Interpretation
Brief Summary:
Provoked by exegetical considerations, the Framework Interpretation sees the Creation Week as a topical guide unconcerned with a real chronology. Dividing the works of Creation into two triads, Moses presents his audience with a literary device to demonstrate theological truths of covenant promises and the role of the Sabbath.
Argument:
Although the fiat creative events ("Then God said, 'Let there be light'; and there was light") refer to actual historical events that actually occurred, and the Creation Week is presented in normal, solar days, the Creation Account really functions as a literary structure presenting the acts in a nonsequential, topical order. The purpose for this is theological.
The Framework Interpretation sees the six creative days dividing easily into two parallel sets of three (that is, two triads). The first triad — Days One, Two, and Three — deals with the creation kingdoms (or realms), while the second — Days Four, Five, and Six — deals with the creature kings (or rulers). A visual representation of this framework follows:
The rulers in the second triad are given rule over their realms (the first triad) at the time of their creations: the luminaries are established to "rule over" the day and night; the birds and fish receive a blessing of dominion over their respective realms ("Be fruitful, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth"); and even man is given this dominion over his realm specifically (cf. Genesis 2:5) and all the created realms generally (Genesis 1:26, 28). These realms and rulers are in turn subordinated as a whole under the divine King of Creation in His Sabbath rest on the seventh day. Just as man works six days and consecrates that work to God's glory on the seventh day, so did God create a model for this by bringing the work of His six creative days under divine consecration to His own glory on the Seventh Day.
Not only does this interpretation see a theological frame in the Creation Week, but it sees no need for chronologization inherent in the text. In fact, the interpretation argues fairly sharply against making the Creation Account into a literal 168-hour sequence. Beside literary support (in the form of parallelism between Days One and Four, the chiastic nature of Days Two and Five, and dischronologization throughout), the Framework Interpretation applies God's seeming use of ordinary providence in Genesis 2:5-6 to demonstrate that such providence is likely active throughout God's creation of the universe.
rmwilliamsll said:from: http://blueletterbible.org/faq/creation.html
it shows God nature. providence. provision. kingdoms, man as viceregerent
chaoschristian said:Hey, thanks for that post. I am intrigued.
What is meant by viceregerent?
rmwilliamsll said:sorry misspelled it
from the wiki:
Vicegerent is the official administrative deputy of a ruler or head of state. (Latin: vice (in place of) + gerens (governing).)
A common blunder is to use the word "viceregent" instead.
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it means to rule under God.
common reformed theology term
see:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=vicegerent+reformed+theology&btnG=Search
XianJedi said:. . .
Actually, I would disagree with Willtor's comment. "Expedient" doesn't mean "fastest". It basically means "most suitable for the circumstances". And I would say that God always takes the most suitable course of action.
Go read it again. I never said that.
Expedient just means convenient or practical. The connotations, though, suggest something about human understandings of convenience or practicality. I'm not convinced that this enters into God's paradigm of action. One man considers evolution practical, and another considers it impractical. Both are mistaken, theologically, because each has made himself the arbiter of what God ought to have done. This is backwards.
shernren said:. . .
Wow. The fallacy of personal projection really has its roots deep in the philosophy of YECism, huh.
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