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Why did God make it so animals need to eat in order to survive?

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It has to do with the fact that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
But couldn't God, being All Powerful, have made that possible if He'd wished? I think the question is why is life, for humans and other types of animal, so cruel when God could have made it different. No-one seems able to answer.
 
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But couldn't God, being All Powerful, have made that possible if He'd wished? I think the question is why is life, for humans and other types of animal, so cruel when God could have made it different. No-one seems able to answer.

Then He should have just created animals and we would be monkeys. They can't sin.
 
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Then He should have just created animals and we would be monkeys. They can't sin.
I would say He did. We are animals. Sin is a manmade idea.
 
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It has to do with the fact that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
Is your god, as you define it, exempt from entropy? What about spirits? Angels? Souls? Heaven? Hell?
On the other hand, if the only purpose of life is survival of the fittest, to procreate, then cannibalism should be perfectly acceptable.
In the context of that statement, explain why wolf packs do not eat their young, or each other.
 
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But couldn't God, being All Powerful, have made that possible if He'd wished?

Of course.

I think the question is why is life, for humans and other types of animal, so cruel when God could have made it different. No-one seems able to answer.

Where did the concept of "cruel" come from? I mean in a Godless worldview.
 
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Some will say "that's the way it has to be". - But surely God, in all His unending power, could have made the universe exactly how He wished.

This is the commonly held mistake; based usually on a belief in Freewill that comes from nothing but subjective experience (ie: feeling that we have Freewill, assuming it exists, and then saying God also has it).

In truth though every being acts in accord with its nature; and that includes God as well.

God creates the universe that is real; the only one that could ever be real. The universe is this way because this is what a real universe means in practice (as opposed to numerous half-imagined fake ones that we can partially conjure in our minds).

So if something occurs in the universe it is here because it has to be and could be no other way. This is what a real and orderly universe means in practice. One which does not contradict itself and in which cause leads to effect. 1+1 cannot equal anything other than 2.

Is this a limit on God's power? No. It is no limit on God to say He can only do what is real and what is consistent with cause and effect.

So to answer the OP's question....God made the universe this way because "this way" is the only way it ever could have been, because "this way" is what real means in practice.
 
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Is your god, as you define it, exempt from entropy? What about spirits? Angels? Souls? Heaven? Hell?

What about your claim that you once knew "it"? Let's talk about that in the context of your question.

In the context of that statement, explain why wolf packs do not eat their young, or each other.

Could it be that there's more to life than survival of the fittest?
 
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I don't get it either, but the God of the Bible doesn't seem to me to be the sentimental God who so often gets preached. As if the whole of the Bible could be reduced to the single sentence in 1 John - "God is love" - and that, having said that, they have said everything there is to say about God.

It is no better than the fire and brimstone God of old.
 
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What if God exists but the Bible is not a 100% factual account but a mythical one? That, to me, is by far the most likely explanation. If one had to believe every word in the Bible to be a Christian their numbers would plummet.

The Bible, not 100 % factual? There are places where Jesus uses parables, there are places that are written as poetry or with symbolic scripture (revelation) However, there is no indication that Genesis or the rest of the Bible is anything but truth. In fact, many places explain this:


John 17:17

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.



People who try to say that parts of the Bible are mythical must reject the Bible as a whole. You cannot take the parts you want and toss the parts you don't want.


Jesus is the word, He is truth:


John 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.







On what do you base that these are myths and other parts are truth? How do you determine which to believe and which to right off?
 
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But he could have. He could have created a universe where people don't starve to death. Right? I don't get it. He is omnipotent.

He did. That was the way it was in the garden and before the fall. Sin entered and poof all that was gone due to the human choice to sin and the existence of death.






So, now God determines who wins the super bowl? What if two people are praying for each side, who wins then? God may allow one team to win or lose but either way it is for His will to be done.

The rest of the problems in this world are due to the sinfulness, greed, ungodliness, evil, and hatred of man.

And, God is going to step down here again and fix it. It's just going to get worse before it gets better.
 
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What about your claim that you once knew "it"? Let's talk about that in the context of your question.
With whom have you confused me with this time?
It has to do with the fact that there's no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
Is your god, as you define it, exempt from entropy? What about spirits? Angels? Souls? Heaven? Hell? Yes, or no?

Could it be that there's more to life than survival of the fittest?
Like what, for wolves?

How does "survival of the fittest" as used in the scientific theory of evolution not allow for behaviours such as wolves not eating their own young?
 
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With whom have you confused me with this time?

Gosh, I dunno....there are so many folks following the antichrist spirit that they all run together sometimes.

You've never been a Christian?

Is your god, as you define it, exempt from entropy? What about spirits? Angels? Souls? Heaven? Hell? Yes, or no?

Yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
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and....Yes

Like what, for wolves?

For all life.

How does "survival of the fittest" as used in the scientific theory of evolution not allow for behaviours such as wolves not eating their own young?

You'd have to ask the Darwinists.
 
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Then He should have just created animals and we would be monkeys. They can't sin.

I think it's such a weird thing to say that animals cannot sin. Chimpanzees commit infanticide. They also kill each other in tribal warfare. Is that not sin?
 
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