Lvythn said:
You know, if God really wanted to help us, he would have done something positive instead of something negative. He just made things worse...
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Lvythn said:I've heard it explained in this way:
"This is why the Lord stopped the builders: they sought to reach Heaven through their own actions, denying the necessity of God's grace. God wasn't afraid that they'd reach Heaven; if anything, He scattered the people, rendering this failure of an attempt at Heaven impossible, that men might know how to approach Heaven in a way that they might enter it."
Seems reasonable - if you're a Christian willing to admit the Babel story is a parable.
As a parent, sometimes we parent figures do things that just don't seem to help. For example, we may oput you in the corner, and say you're not allowed to do that. The child is upset, and doesn't really acceptt aht was all for their best interest. After all, the child really wants to do that action.relaxeus said:You know, if God really wanted to help us, he would have done something positive instead of something negative. He just made things worse...
knightlight72 said:As a parent, sometimes we parent figures do things that just don't seem to help. For example, we may oput you in the corner, and say you're not allowed to do that. The child is upset, and doesn't really acceptt aht was all for their best interest. After all, the child really wants to do that action.
As a parent, while I can see the child doesn't really enjoy that i had to put them in the corner, I know I still had to do it. It's a matter doing what is best for them to grow up.
From the view of the child, it's a negative. From the persepctive of the parent, it's a positive. What it comes down to, is that the parent does know and understand the full consequences. The child does not.
Would I? I don't think so, but I am not God who is able to give or take life. Let's not forget this life is very temporary, and God has an eternity with us after this life.relaxeus said:Would you ever kill your child? This is how God, the loving father, has dealt with countless of his children.
relaxeus said:You know, if God really wanted to help us, he would have done something positive instead of something negative. He just made things worse...
relaxeus said:You know, if God really wanted to help us, he would have done something positive instead of something negative. He just made things worse...
I doubt Martin Luther King Jr. would have held the same thoughts as true.Thing is, the good news can only go so far. The problem is the people in charge are often corrupted and immoral. The good news is ineffective for them and we have a situation in which pain and suffering continues by the hands of these people. The good news alone can't solve our problems. We need God to do more.
kopilo said:That's not the point of the joke. The point is that no matter how many things we can create God gave us the free will to do so.
yeaprelaxeus said:If thats true, then does that make us his property? I don't think so. Now that we are sentient beings we have to be respected as such and we deserve the same rights as other such beings, even if those beings may have created us. I can build myself a chair and I can say that's mine. That's fair. But if I create a living being then that being should no longer be my property. My child, yes, but that child deserves the same rights as we have.
There is also the loss of 5 of the 10 types of homosapiens who lived before some major catastrophic event . .. a global ice age or something.CSmrw said:Specifically regarding human diversity I can see beauty - and a great deal of ugliness, but mainly I see simple inevitability. As the original tribes spread out their languages "forgot" each other and new terms were added for new phenomena. I can sometimes barely understand people from the deep south and far north in my own country.
We may not be considered sentient by greatly superior beings.relaxeus said:If thats true, then does that make us his property? I don't think so. Now that we are sentient beings we have to be respected as such and we deserve the same rights as other such beings, even if those beings may have created us. I can build myself a chair and I can say that's mine. That's fair. But if I create a living being then that being should no longer be my property. My child, yes, but that child deserves the same rights as we have.
Misty Minister said:We may not be considered sentient by greatly superior beings.
If 'the beings' are equal then they are not superior.relaxeus said:Maybe not. I would think that we would get some respect and attention though. What it comes down to for me is morality. We are capable of making moral decisions and this makes us equal to any other beings.
When an ant warrior sacrifices his life to protect the nest, is that a moral decision?relaxeus said:Maybe not. I would think that we would get some respect and attention though. What it comes down to for me is morality. We are capable of making moral decisions and this makes us equal to any other beings.
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