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I'm sure you have wonderful friends, however most of mine I speak with electronically because well, the majority are all over the world due to travelling away.relaxeus said:Theres not much boredom among my friends, who are mostly of the same ethnic background. People would have gradually moved further and further away, space would not be an issue. His plan includes making our lives worse.
Some of us do not believe God exists in our linear time frame because God is eternal, we are only experiencing God's decisions linearly because that's how our world is, that's what we can cope with.jayem said:The questionableness of God's action is further compounded when you consider that God is supposedly omniscient. Why did He give everyone the same language in the first place? Especially since he would have forseen this would happen. Was this just another of God's "tests" of mankind to see how far we would go? (Again, even though he already knows the outcome?)
Just another of the OT myths which illustrates the incoherent and illogical nature of the biblical God.
relaxeus said:[GENESIS 11]
Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. As men moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, "Come, let's {let US} make bricks and bake them thoroughly." They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower that the men were building. The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other."
So the LORD scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. That is why it was called Babel because there the LORD confused the language of the whole world. From there the LORD scattered them over the face of the whole earth
The way I see it, humans were progressing very well. We built ourselves a nice city, spoke the same language and had a tower. Then God comes along, makes us speak different languages and scatters us across the earth all because we were doing well and had a nice city? Isn't that really, really immoral?
ChristianCenturion said:Why?
Because of their pride.
God gave them the blessings of speech, intelligence, even their lives and they attribute the glory to themselves and boasted of further plans as to what they will do next (on their own and for their selves).
ChristianCenturion said:God simply removed SOME of His given blessings in a kind of "OK boys, you want to credit yourselves, try it with a little of that being actually true."
Of course that would be the result.relaxeus said:Maybe, like many people, they lost faith in an idle god that doesn't help them at all. They did pretty well for themselves, considering how hard life was back then. They made a lot of progress and built a city to unite the people in one location. That doesnt sound so bad to me. Then god interferes by making us speak different languages and scattering us all over the place. Not a very positive interference.
I don't find pride to be reason enough to justify for such a reaction by God.
Communication is a barrier that has been broken now, and the human race is progressing very well. We tried it and we managed. I really hope god doesnt come to bring more pain and destruction upon us just because we are doing well. Maybe he learned from his mistakes though. Since Jesus it seems that god hasn't done us any harm. I havn't heard of any, atleast.
ChristianCenturion said:Try reading Revelation, you will find the same arrogance (we currently see building) repeated, but God's longsuffering has a perfect limit.
He does.relaxeus said:And once that limit is reached, according to revelation, he will let loose a multitude of disasters and diseases and chaos upon us. You know, if god is so powerful, why doesn't he convert some of that power into something positive for a change?
For how long?Why doesn't he help bring peace to regions torn by war?
Spoken as not being grateful for each and every cure we have now. Proof positive that it wouldn't be enough.Why doesn't he find cures for diseases?
You may not understand this, but the trials of this life and even death are of little issue for someone that looks forward to eternity with the loving Father. Some are grateful for what we have, even in hunger.Help us bring hunger to an end?
It seems that so often when god decides to step into the picture, he just causes pain and suffereing to us, and to what end?
relaxeus said:Maybe, like many people, they lost faith in an idle god that doesn't help them at all. They did pretty well for themselves, considering how hard life was back then. They made a lot of progress and built a city to unite the people in one location. That doesnt sound so bad to me. Then god interferes by making us speak different languages and scattering us all over the place. Not a very positive interference.
I don't find pride to be reason enough to justify for such a reaction by God.
You are asking why doesn't the creator make us more dependant on Him.relaxeus said:And once that limit is reached, according to revelation, he will let loose a multitude of disasters and diseases and chaos upon us. You know, if god is so powerful, why doesn't he convert some of that power into something positive for a change? Why doesn't he help bring peace to regions torn by war? Why doesn't he find cures for diseases? Help us bring hunger to an end? It seems that so often when god decides to step into the picture, he just causes pain and suffereing to us, and to what end?
ChristianCenturion said:When Jesus Christ performed a miracle, did all the people believe?
Now look at how many miracles He did in plain sight?
Was that enough? Sure, enough to get Him crucified.
ChristianCenturion said:And who would be the ones bringing about that war?
ChristianCenturion said:No, bad solution and one where God is the little Genie dancing for man's entertainment.
ChristianCenturion said:Spoken as not being grateful for each and every cure we have now.
ChristianCenturion said:You may not understand this, but the trials of this life and even death are of little issue for someone that looks forward to eternity with the loving Father. Some are grateful for what we have, even in hunger.
ChristianCenturion said:I'm sure my children consider me in a bad way when I push them to grow or discipline them.
I still love them though and I do those things for their benefit. How much more a perfect Father?
kopilo said:This reminds me of a science vs religion joke.
A scientist said to God I can do whatever you do, we have developed technologies and methods which allow us to create anything you can.
So God picked up some earth and turned it into a dove.
The scientist bent down and picked up some dirt.
God said: No, Get your own dirt.
kopilo said:You are asking why doesn't the creator make us more dependant on Him.
Try reading the new testament, it's got something called the good news for a reason.
The problem of the illogical nature of the Biblical God becomes understandable when research reveals the more ancient texts that Moses, or whoever authored the Genesis story, used. It looks like Moses took a story involving two god like entities and merged them into one god who disagrees with himself.jayem said:The questionableness of God's action is further compounded when you consider that God is supposedly omniscient. Why did He give everyone the same language in the first place? Especially since he would have forseen this would happen. Was this just another of God's "tests" of mankind to see how far we would go? (Again, even though he already knows the outcome?)
Just another of the OT myths which illustrates the incoherent and illogical nature of the biblical God.
We could consider it training for joining the intergalactic interdimentional community. Imagine how difficult it will be to communicate with and work with completely alien lifeforms.relaxeus said:From another perspective, these differences cause problems. Rascism, for one thing. Ethnic wars, another. Confusing and scattering us has hindered our ability to communicate with eachother and we have advanced much more slowly than we would have had God not done this to us. A lot of suffereing has come from this.
Imparting motivations to other humans is not too accurate. Imparting motivations to a nonhuman entity would be even more prone to error.relaxeus said:Because we were doing well for ourselves, and God, from malice or jealously or whatever the reason, made our lives much harder by purposely making us speak different languages and scattering us across the world.
The way I see it, humans were progressing very well. We built ourselves a nice city, spoke the same language and had a tower. Then God comes along, makes us speak different languages and scatters us across the earth all because we were doing well and had a nice city? Isn't that really, really immoral?
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