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Has every Christian here genuinely researched why Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah? I find their reasons to be legitimate (mainly that he didn't fulfill the OT prophecies that were promised).
Add to that all the tampering and contradictions found in the Gospels,
and it makes perfect sense that Jesus was just an icon used to push a new religion onto people. The history of the NT seems much more political, which flows perfectly with history.
Why are you a Christian and not a Jew?
Has every Christian here genuinely researched why Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah? I find their reasons to be legitimate (mainly that he didn't fulfill the OT prophecies that were promised).
Add to that all the tampering and contradictions found in the Gospels, and it makes perfect sense that Jesus was just an icon used to push a new religion onto people. The history of the NT seems much more political, which flows perfectly with history.
Why are you a Christian and not a Jew?
Has every Christian here genuinely researched why Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah? I find their reasons to be legitimate (mainly that he didn't fulfill the OT prophecies that were promised).
Add to that all the tampering and contradictions found in the Gospels, and it makes perfect sense that Jesus was just an icon used to push a new religion onto people. The history of the NT seems much more political, which flows perfectly with history.
Why are you a Christian and not a Jew?
However there are quite a few prophecies that he does fulfil
I am quite familiar with Judaism, the Promises, which Christ fulfilled, which He did not, and why. This familiarity is not the reason I follow Christ rather than Moses.
He has shown Himself to me, which is in fact the New Covenant, available to "whosoever will ..."
It is a better Covenant, with better promises, and a changing of the Priesthood. Yet the most detailed look into this we can get, is via Moses.
The key thing with this is - prophecies are only fulfilled when they are "fully" filled. Jesus had many prophecies that God himself said he would deliver. Failure to deliver just 1 of these prophecies leaves the covenant as a whole, unfulfilled.
So I do understand why Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah. He did not do all that was promised.
A point of difference in interpretation, as well as a very different messiology; a key component in Christian thought is that Jesus' messiahship was/is very different than what was expected.
Apart from the standard changes that happen to texts over many years, the Gospels do not show much signs of tampering. That is to say, there is nothing to indicate that the Canonical Gospels are substantially or essentially different in their basic content than as originally written. To put it more concise, apart from certain significant key cases (e.g. the pericope de adultera, the traditional ending of Mark) and a few minor cases here and there the manuscript witness seems to indicate a fairly preserved textual tradition and the large number of manuscripts, some dating back to the 2nd century, offers scholars an opportunity in textual criticism something not always common in many other ancient texts.
Who did the pushing? And what politics motivated the NT? I agree the New Testament uses intentionally subversive political language, but I'm suspecting you may be implying the old Constantine conspiracy angle.
Because I want to follow Jesus of Nazareth, who I confess to be Lord and Christ.
Your logic doesn't make any sense. You assume a prophecy wasn't fulfilled just because the entirety of the Judaism didn't embrace him?
Prophecies have been fulfilled but not all because they all haven't come to pass yet. I suggest you start reading these sources.
I think untangling the prophecies is quite a difficult matter since many of them are written figuratively, many are ambiguous, in many cases there's doubt as to whether they are actually are messianic prophecies, and--for those who don't believe in Biblical inerrancy--there's doubt as to whether God actually wrote or inspired them.No. A prophecy wasn't fulfilled because God said his Messiah would do A, B, and C. Jesus lived and died and did not complete A, B, and C. Therefore, Jesus is not the Messiah.
And therein lies the problem. God spoke to the Jews and told them what to expect, why would he "change it up" on them?
To a believer, "standard changes", "key cases", and "minor cases" may be something to shrug off and say "eh, it happens." To someone truly putting the Bible under a microscope and questioning God, these things all make the difference.
You would think that in a testament completely centered around one event, the resurrection, that the accounts of it would at least match. We don't find that to be the case, which really makes one lift an eyebrow.
I wouldn't quite call it a conspiracy, and even if so - conspiracies do happen. I don't know every facet of Christian history but it does seem Constantine would be politically motivated to spread Christianity.
By "politically motivated" I'm also referring to the simple idea of spreading a religion. Why is any religion created and spread? Religion and politics are always lumped together because they are in a way one in the same. They're both based on written law, personal beliefs, campaigning, and are the subject of extreme conflict and argument. The writers of the gospels were politically motivated to spread their religion, simple as that. I can't go into the minds of Matthew or Mark and know exactly what pushed them to write what they did, but it's fairly easy to believe that they did what they did to push their own agenda in spreading their ideology.
But the Old Testament contradicts with this sentiment. Do you acknowledge that Christ did not fulfill every prophecy God stated he would?
No. A prophecy wasn't fulfilled because God said his Messiah would do A, B, and C. Jesus lived and died and did not complete A, B, and C. Therefore, Jesus is not the Messiah.
I think it's pretty simple :
1) God literally speaks to Moses and writes the Old Testament
Why would God go back on his original word and create a "better" covenant? That implies error on his side, which isn't possible for someone perfect.
You would think that in a testament completely centered around one event, the resurrection, that the accounts of it would at least match. We don't find that to be the case, which really makes one lift an eyebrow.
Do you acknowledge that Christ did not fulfill every prophecy God stated he would?
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