Why cant they let it alone?

LAWise520 said:

Man...Christians are so harsh...makes me sick...I wish they could just knock it off...so many of us "christians" have no idea who Jesus Christ IS...they are all about hate and anger. This aggrivates me...man...that's junk...sorry man.

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There a over a Billion Christians of different types on this planet. Most of them would think I am a hairytick because I agree with the first century Ebionites rather than the 4th century Constainian church on most things. of the Billion there are bound to be some whackos. They are human beings, you know , talking monkies like the rest of us.

Antoninus Verus said:

Ok, quick update. A group of about 5 of us went in to see the principal today and told him what was what. The people who had recieved notes brought it in. He looked at it and said he would call the police and they would come in and see what they could do. Unfortuneately, theres not a huge ammount that can be done. Our school is 2,700 people strong and we just have no way of telling who it might be. We dont want to be rousting everyone who thinks we're a bad influence. The police had thier hands full today with the wash over-flowing and flooding a mobile home park, but they should have a couple officers in tomorrow to talk to us.

I tried talking to the leadership of our school's Christian group to see if they could possibly help us but I got a...rather prompt brush-off by the president and most other members of the governing body of students for that group. Something tells me they want nothing to do with it.

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The kid who leads the local christian group probably does not know who did it, has no way to find out, is busy with his studies and clubs, and probably wishes you would all convert to some kind of christianity so that your souls do not burn in eternal torment. He may really believe in Hell.

Sending threatening emails is a Federal Offense. The FBI would be very interested. Homeland security would probably be willing call it a terrorist investigation. The Justice Department would probably call it a human rights violation. These groups have a much better chance of finding the perps than a fellow student.

neopagan big mouths annoy people and create enemys. this is especially true if they are like typical teenagers and highly opinionated, emphatic, and disrespectful of others opinions. It is really funny, because, for the most part the arguments of the Christians and the neopagans are only opinions. And as the cliche goes Opinions are like ....... everyone has one. I was in a hot tub with a prince of thiland who is a Taoist, a member of the Copland ministies, an neopagan, and a Jew. The neopagan went on and on until the prince asked, "What about the Tao?" The neopagan was nonplussed.

DrFate said:

neopagan big mouths annoy people and create enemys. this is especially true if they are like typical teenagers and highly opinionated, emphatic, and disrespectful of others opinions. It is really funny, because, for the most part the arguments of the Christians and the neopagans are only opinions. And as the cliche goes Opinions are like ....... everyone has one. I was in a hot tub with a prince of thiland who is a Taoist, a member of the Copland ministies, an neopagan, and a Jew. The neopagan went on and on until the prince asked, "What about the Tao?" The neopagan was nonplussed.

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Is this really helping this guy with his problem? I don't think that he needs to be told that he's a big mouth right about now.

It's wrong what they did. Christians (or whatever group they are) should never threaten members of another religion. That is not a valid method of evangelism. They're probably just bothering you guys because you're involved with an "Occult" club.

Antoninus Verus said:

Whaaa?

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It must be a bug in the system, some problems with the interface with the Opera bowser. Any way I am looking for a scholarly work that shows the change from what Yeshua actually is supposed to have said, and what his contemoraries said about him, and how after "Christianity" became the official religion of the Roman empire how the Pagans and Pagan priests who were forced adopt changed Yashua in to another pagan god/man/savior. Hand this to the christians and see what they do. As Pres Reagan said, "Facts are stubborn things."

crossrunner said:

I'm praying for you. I'm sorry that these people who claim to be Christians (as true followers of our Lord would never think to engage in such behavior) are giving you such a hard time. I'm happy that you realize that most people who claim to be Christian indeed have a gentle and kind disposition and display the true fruits of the Spirit. I will pray that in your journey through life that you will find true peace with the Prince of Peace. God bless you and keep you and your friends safe.

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Northern Ireland, Be glad you are not there.

You can follow the pagan influences that created todays Christian church.
Many Christians will have to accept that the Christianity they practice is ritually similar to many of the old pagan religions of Rome. Have fun.

http://www.cygnus-study.com/pageq.html

Burton Mack is a former professor of the New Testament at the School of Theology at Claremont, California. He has written several books about the origins of Christianity including A Myth of Innocence: Mark and Christian Origins and Who Wrote the New Testament? The Making of the Christian Myth.

Note: Q1 bold, Q2 normal, and Q3 italic
{QS1-62} = Q verse [Luke parallel]

My interpretation: Q1 (the bold) is what Biblical scholars are putting as the very earliest writings of the followers of Jesus of Nazareth. As can be seen from this collection, the original members of this following did not view Jesus as a Christ or a Messiah, and definitely not as the celestially begotten Son of God. These people saw Jesus as a very wise teacher. A cynic/sage, teaching a morality and practicality that suited the people of that day. Mr. Mack puts Q1 in the mid 50's of the first century of the common era, though at least some of the sayings had more than likely been handed down directly from Jesus.

Q2 (normal text) makes up more than half of the Q collection of sayings and parables. Jesus has passed on from sage/cynic to child of wisdom. Clearly we can see an evolution in the thought process of these people. They had encountered rejections and had made some advances. They had encountered some difficulty with the Pharisees and with lawyers. We see the introduction of John the Baptist in this collection. John had apparently had his own cult following at the time and there was some interaction between the two groups. We also see the introduction of an apocolyptic vision that was not evident in Q1. An impending "Judgement Day" looms large in tone. Mr. Mack puts Q2 in the late 60's or early 70's.

Q3 (the italic) is by far the smallest source in Q. Jerusalem has fallen, and the tone here is one of a reproach of the ones who refused to listen. Jesus has evolved one more time from child of wisdom to son of God. This would be the vision of Jesus that would last and be the strongest influence on Mark, Matthew and Luke. Mythology has completely taken over here, and only a glimpse of who Jesus actually was is left here. Mr. Mack puts Q3 in the mid 80's of the first century.

My suggestion is to read them in order of levels, Q1 first, followed by Q2, and then Q3. before going back to get a narrative story as told in the Bible

DrFate said:

There a over a Billion Christians of different types on this planet. Most of them would think I am a hairytick because I agree with the first century Ebionites rather than the 4th century Constainian church on most things. of the Billion there are bound to be some whackos. They are human beings, you know , talking monkies like the rest of us.

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Talking monkeys heh? What I don't understand, is why people can even think all we see around us just 'evolved' to it's current state. I find that much, much harder to believe than in a loving God that created us all.

Anyhow Antoninus, let me know how it all works out. PM me if you want
God Bless,
Mike