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Why are there still apes?

driewerf

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Have you ever seen a cosmologist using the word "fart" for the Big Bang?
No,.. I just thought that it was funny.
So again, you were wilfully and knowingly using misleading terminology.
That's twice in a very short time.
 
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Actually the first one to say so was Carolus Linneaus, a devout pre-Darwinian creationist.
 
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Well maybe not turning into one directly but it describes slowly evolving into one.
It's important to remember that it's so sloooooow that you can't see it on a generation, by generation level.

Every creature will be the same species as its mother.

It's like the continents moving around. With special instruments we can measure it... but while Australia is moving half an inch a year towards India, I've never felt it.
 
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So again, you were wilfully and knowingly using misleading terminology.
That's twice in a very short time.

Did you know that the term 'Big Bang' was originally coined by the astronomer Fred Hoyle as a derogatory reference to the theory since he initially didn't believe in it?
 
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Well maybe not turning into one directly but it describes slowly evolving into one.

That was a chimp. Evolution DOES NOT describe chimps turning into humans, nor did it happen.

Just like my cousin didn't turn into me instead we have a common set of grandparents, the chimp and I have common ancestors, but a couple hundred thousand generations ago rather than two.
 
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Did you know that the term 'Big Bang' was originally coined by the astronomer Fred Hoyle as a derogatory reference to the theory since he initially didn't believe in it?
Yes I know that. Apparently critics have only ridicule and mockery, no arguments.
 
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I probably have mixed up responses but, these are some comments I had in my mind where I referred to Dawkins

A. No he didn't.
B. So what if he did (which he didn't). We do not cling dogmatically to Victorian science.

"He" is Darwin

I'm not sure where you got that from. As I say though, it's neither here nor there, we've moved on from Victorian times.

Wait, this guy wasn't just a biologist, he was a Biologist? Sounds important. And he was "international"? Wow! Impressive. Who was this guy? Can you show me where he said this?
 
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I probably have mixed up responses but, these are some comments I had in my mind where I referred to Dawkins



"He" is Darwin
Let's move on.

We have been explaining to you that the Cambrian was not a time when modern animals appear in the fossil record. Rather it is a time when ancient worm like creatures diversified their use of hard parts. The Cambrian is totally consistent with evolution. Do you agree? Why or why not?

As far as I can tell, you deny that speciation ever occurs. Is that true? Then how do you explain that the oldest layers show life forms that are very different from upper layers? How do you explain that life gets progressively more like modern life as you move up the geologic column?
 
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I'm pretty sure they believe in mutation and diversification... but think that direct divine intervention is the only reasonable explanation.


Personally I'm confused by the logic that a system with a 99.9% fail rate is clearly being micro managed by an omniscient deity.
 
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I'm pretty sure they believe in mutation and diversification... but think that direct divine intervention is the only reasonable explanation.
It's really hard to tell. I realize that most creationists accept some micro-evolution. James A seems to disagree with all speciation. I have asked him several times and he will not answer. So we may never know.
 
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It's really hard to tell. I realize that most creationists accept some micro-evolution. James A seems to disagree with all speciation. I have asked him several times and he will not answer. So we may never know.
Most appear not to understand what speciation is.
 
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Did Lord's plan "fail" when Satan tricked humanity in to the Fall? Was He incapable of striking a human king (Herod) down when He instructed Mary and Joseph to flee?

Earthly definition of "success" or "fail" is not binding to the Eternal Mind.
 
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