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he reason it works is that the information is there-
According to extinction statistics, 99.9% of the mechanisms instilled by God were a failure.
And according to Christian mythos, 100% of them were unnecessary, as God allegedly designed the universe as a death-free paradise.
Neither of these are ringing endorsements for God.
Theories change in light of new data. Evolution is not unique in this.
Where? What do you mean by 'information'?
Man knew nothing of fossil fuels for how many thousands of years before they were used?Really? Ever hear of fossil fuels? Man was God's plan. It would be completely necessary for the future of mankind. Seems like it is a whole symphony of ringing endorsement.
Yes, that is true. However, the new data was then explained by how evolution would have had to operate to accommodate the new data. For instance, Punctuated Equilibrium and horizontal transfer. Evolution was presupposed to be the mechanism for the data but some new theory within the theory had to be used to explain why ToE as first presented didn't fit.
When you are quoting would you mind quoting the name in the quote. It helps keep things orderly.
The raw materials.
You are still not clear on this. And where is the gap that your god is to fit?Gravity is a force pulling together all matter. Gravity = force which pulls (effect) all matter. The effect is the result of the force upon matter. So the force is not the effect.
And subject to falsification and correction with the introduction of more detailed information. Sure. Although, on that subject, we would be dealing with hypotheses.So you believe that a naturalistic origin of the universe is tentative?
"Elementary particles" have explanatory power, and scientifically agreed upon meanings. This is not the case for "gods" or "God".Or for the elementary particles called gravitons.
Now you want qualified stories of miracles as evidence. You really want to go down that rabbit hole?Is there outside sources to confirm the miracles of those other religions?
Good. I thought you may have been alluding to the number of people making this claim. The numbers are irrelevant to my point.No, it is a claim that most Christians will agree. The validity of the claim is not what I was referring to. Validity aside, Christians claim a personal relationship with God.
A dodge (you did not address the question), a straw man (I do not claim God does not exist), and an attempt to shift the burden of evidence (have we not had this conversation about you?), all in one sentence.Self delusion? Is there an objective manner in which you can show that you are not deluding yourself that God does not exist?
The simple answer to that question is, No.Again, is there one Christian that can show, in an objective manner, that they have a relationship with something outside of their own imagination?
"Laws" are scientific generalizations based on factual observations (dictionary.com). They are created by humans.How would the laws of logic arise in a material universe? What evidence do you provide to show that they are produced from known materials of the universe?
A presupposition then. Do you scrutinize your own presuppositions, or just others'?To you nothing. To the Christian we know that He is in a place called Heaven. Where is that...I don't know.
Again, not the subject, the person. Can you provide an example where a "materialist" - a scientist - claimed that evidence was not necessary in support of their scientific theory? A peer reviewed paper, published work, etc?Every scientist that claims that there is a universal common ancestor. Every scientist that claims an evolutionary pathway that is not reflected in the fossil evidence. There is no evidence that can be tested or observed for a known plant or animal in transition past the species level in millions of years.
How is this not a god-of-the-gaps argument?I think I have. I have said that there is no evidence that shows that the forces of nature are produced by the material of the universe. I have said that logic is not of a material produced by the universe.
We don't need to determine truth. We observe what works. Newton's law's have been shown to lack precision, but they can be relied upon repeatedly to place landers on the moons and planets of our solar system.How do we know they are based on factual observations if we have no way to determine truth? If there is no absolute laws of logic, logic can not represent truth. It can never be relied upon if there is no meaning to logic other than what we generally believe to be factual.
If it does not matter, why did you bring "God" (your particular god) in as an explanation for intelligence into the conversation? Just "throwing it against the wall"?Why would it matter?
Emergence.If you stand upon the notion that non-intelligent processes were the only processes available, how does intelligence arise from no intelligence?
I know that, but OD will have to admit that to herself. It won't be a quick process.The simple answer to that question is, No.
Did you just describe God as imaginary?If we say something is part of the supernatural it means it's in our minds.
I was told that God is beyond space and time in the supernatural, where is the supernatural?Did you just describe God as imaginary?
Man knew nothing of fossil fuels for how many thousands of years before they were used?
God never thought to mention it? and we're running out now so does that mean the end times are upon us?
What did man use to get the gas and oil out of the ground? was it science or God?
Please don't write that God gave us the science.
I was told that God is beyond space and time in the supernatural, where is the supernatural?
God is not imaginary to the people who believe in God. to everyone else God is imaginary.
God knows the end from the beginning. In the Christian worldview, and according to Scripture we know that God knows what we need even before we ask.
I do believe that we are living in the end times.
It is interesting that you feel that you must qualify your statement with first specifying that God had nothing to do with science. Science is the area of human endeavor that seeks to explain the universe in which we live. To do so, we must have the intelligence to do so. It is in keeping with the Christian worldview that for intelligence to be available, intelligence had to come from intelligence. It is consistent within our worldview.
I know that, but OD will have to admit that to herself. It won't be a quick process.
Did you just describe God as imaginary?
I was told that God is beyond space and time in the supernatural, where is the supernatural?
God is not imaginary to the people who believe in God. to everyone else God is imaginary.
What?????
So Christianity really loves science except for the bits that say things didn't happen as Genesis says they did.Science is the area of human endeavor that seeks to explain the universe in which we live. To do so, we must have the intelligence to do so.
There was no theory within the theory. We simply better understood how it worked - the overall framework remained the same.
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