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Maize said:Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those who wish to discriminate and deny equal protections to all citizens?
Maize said:They will be in my state.
A civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage is prohibited. Any such civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement entered into by persons of the same sex in another state or jurisdiction shall be void in all respects in Virginia and any contractual rights created thereby shall be void and unenforceable.
That means wills, powers of attorney, medicial decisions, joint property ownership, anything that gives the appearance of couplehood, etc,.... all the legal documents that gay and lesbian couples have now and have had to go through a lawyer to get can be challanged and deemed null and void under this law.
Every lawyer I've talked to disagrees with you. It's going to open the flood gates to same sex couple's legal documents being ignored and overturned.ChristianCenturion said:That is an over-stated panic response.
Same-sex marriages are recognized in the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Canada, and the U.S. state of Massachusetts.ChristianCenturion said:Show me a current government that recognized EVERY model of marriage possible. IOW - drop the rhetoric and misapplication of "equal".
Maize said:
It's just different terminology because I've had many people tell me they are not against equal rights, but have issues with calling it marriage. I'm trying to give them an appropriate option to choose.
No. Civil marriage (or civil unions) is separate from religious marriage ceremonies. You can have a religious ceremony now (indeed many same sex couples do in welcoming churches) but it is not recognized by the government unless you sign that piece of paper, which of course same sex couples are denied.jayem said:I see. Thanks for the clarification.
But as the Bard said, "What's in a name?" Does any state recognize a purely religious marriage? That is, would any couple be considered married if they had only a religious ceremony, without a marriage license?
And in Ohio their amendment has been used even against straight couples who are not married. Domestic abuse charges against men beating up their girlfriends have been thrown out of court, citing the marriage amendment (which was intended only to hurt gays and lesbians, but has proven to have much farther reaching consequences once it was put into practice).Dracon427 said:Same thing in Texas recently. Any and all contracts that approximate marrige are illegal now.
Why should the goverment treat your family and children differently than mine? What does it gain from doing that? What do you gain from our being treated as second-class citizens and being denied legal protections?KCDAD said:NO marriage, no benefits, no inheritance, no civil unions.
We choose just as well as heterosexuals do (or don't).Either choose your mates carefully or not at all.
Maize said:Same-sex marriages are recognized in the Netherlands, Belgium, Spain and Canada, and the U.S. state of Massachusetts.
ChristianCenturion said:And?
That only proves my point, I said ALL.
Apparently, you are unaware of how many types of marriage are possible ~ a brief sampling.
Maize said:Why should the goverment treat your family and children differently than mine? What does it gain from doing that? What do you gain from our being treated as second-class citizens and being denied legal protections?
We choose just as well as heterosexuals do (or don't).
KCDAD said:Whoa there turbo... don't get all militant with me. Did I say no marriage for gays? I said no marriage period. NO benefits for anyone for living with someone, legal or otherwise.
Maize said:
I apologize. My defenses are always up on this forum. (Thus why I don't come here very often, not good for my blood pressure).
You have an interesting idea. How do you think it would go over in the public?
Rae said:Only 1 and 2. History has shown in the United States that "separate but equal" is not equal. Or, as Dave Barry says in his book Dave Barry Slept Here (paraphrased from memory), "Under separate but equal, black people had Separate facilities that were Equal to the facilities white people used for their domestic animals."
No thanks. Either true equality, or let's show it for what it is, immoral discrimination against good people. None of this "it's really the same, but it's different" nonsense.
KCDAD said:NO marriage, no benefits, no inheritance, no civil unions.
You want power of attorney, fine
You want a will, fine.
Either choose your mates carefully or not at all.
jayem said:... I also suppose there would also be no reduced tax rates for "married" couples filing jointly...
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