Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

Tall73 left the last post with a number of citations, most of which I've already given, because they in fact dispute him



St. Ignatius' Epistle to the Magnesians

9:1 If then those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing sabbaths but fashioning their lives after the Lord's day, on which our life also arose through Him and through His death which some men deny -- a mystery whereby we attained unto belief, and for this cause we endure patiently, that we may be found disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher --

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10:1 Therefore let us not be insensible to His goodness. For if He should imitate us according to our deeds, we are lost. For this cause, seeing that we are become His disciples, let us learn to live as beseemeth Christianity. For whoso is called by another name besides this, is not of God.

10:2 Therefore put away the vile leaven which hath waxed stale and sour, and betake yourselves to the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be ye salted in Him,
that none among you grow putrid, seeing that by your savour ye shall be proved.
10:3 It is monstrous to talk of Jesus Christ and to practise Judaism. For Christianity did not believe in Judaism, but Judaism in Christianity, wherein every tongue believed and was gathered together unto God.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-magnesians-lightfoot.html

He thus says NOT to partake of the Jewish practices, because we follow the Lord's day by which we 'may be found disciples of Jesus Christ'





The Epistle of Barnabas, written sometime after the year 80 says...

Barnabas 15:8
Finally He saith to them; Your new moons and your Sabbaths I cannot away with. Ye see what is His meaning ; it is not your present Sabbaths that are acceptable [unto Me], but the Sabbath which I have made, in the which, when I have set all things at rest, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/barnabas-lightfoot.html



Justin Martyr's First Apology written sometime between 150-160

CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.



And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-firstapology.html



Justin Martyr's DIALOGUE WITH TRYPHO

Chapter X

"Is there any other matter, my friends, in which we are blamed, than this, that we live not after the law, and are not circumcised in the flesh as your forefathers were, and do not observe sabbaths as you do?

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html



Tertullian's An Answer to the Jews.

Chapter IV.-Of the Observance of the Sabbath.

It follows, accordingly, that, in so far as the abolition of carnal circumcision and of the old law is demonstrated as having been consummated at its specific times, so also the observance of the Sabbath is demonstrated to have been temporary.

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-03/anf03-19.htm#P2021_691723

The reason you feel they dispute me is because you have not understood my argument. I am willing to look at all the evidence. Are you? You totally ignore the statements that either endorse the Sabbath, or that state it was being kept by almost all the churches through the 5th century. I accept both the statements about the Sabbath, and those about Sunday as evidence. But it all must be taken into account. You must have a view that accounts for all of it, and so far you have made no effort to do that.

Here is my post again, since you are responding to it




Here is my take on the church father's statements on the Sabbath question. My contention is that the Sabbath was changed over time to Sunday, but was not at first kept this way by the apostles. The change came about slowly. We find no statement that the day was changed in the Bible. We do find evidence soon after that Sunday was kept in honor of the resurrection, but the Sabbath was kept along with it. We also find evidence of the Sabbath being kept and endorsed at least into the 5th century. The replacement of Sabbath with Sunday took place first in isolated locations, partly due to deteriorating relations with the Jews, and anti-Semitism in the empire following the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. At this time the Christians began to distance themselves more and more from the Jews. A radical separation in this regard is already seen in Justin Martyr and the Epistle of Barnabas.

I am sure I missed some references, so if you find them fill me in!

Now to the statements.

(note, some of the dates are uncertain or disputed. These are representative of what I think, but I will try to note other views as I go along).


Igantius' letter to the Magnesians:

In chapter 9 of his letter Ignatius takes up the question of Sabbath observance. You can find the document here:

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-01/anf01-17.htm#P1394_249090

Ignatius wrote his letter during his time as bishop. He was stated to be Bishop during the reign of Trajan. In addition he states that he is to be martyred, having handed himself over to Trajan. The letter to the Magnesians likewise makes reference to him being bound. Since Trajan reigned from 98AD to 116 these are the dates that the epistle must fall into. The letters are usually dated to around 107 which was when the expedition of Trajan was believed to have been, at which time that he handed himself over. Some, with an alternate view of Trajan's expedition against the Parthians date the death of Ignatius at 116. Either way this was a document written just at the end, or just after the end of the apostolic period, since John died, as the last of the apostles, around 100 AD. The rest of the apostles would have been gone for a while.

Chapter IX.-Let Us Live with Christ.

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things49 have come to the possession of a new50 hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance51 of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith,52 and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master-how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, being come, raised them from the dead.53

If, then, those who were conversant with the ancient Scriptures came to newness of hope, expecting the coming of Christ, as the Lord teaches us when He says, "If ye had believed Moses, ye would have believed Me, for he wrote of Me; "54 and again, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it, and was glad; for before Abraham was, I am; "55 how shall we be able to live without Him? The prophets were His servants, and foresaw Him by the Spirit, and waited for Him as their Teacher, and expected Him as their Lord and Saviour, saying, "He will come and save us."56 Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for "he that does not work, let him not eat."57 For say the [holy] oracles, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread."58 But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them.59 And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days. Looking forward to this, the prophet declared, "To the end, for the eighth day,"60 on which our life both sprang up again, and the victory over death was obtained in Christ, whom the children of perdition, the enemies of the Saviour, deny, "whose god is their belly, who mind earthly things,"61 who are "lovers of pleasure, and not lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof."62 These make merchandise of Christ, corrupting His word, and giving up Jesus to sale: they are corrupters of women, and covetous of other men's possessions, swallowing up wealth63 insatiably; from whom may ye be delivered by the mercy of God through our Lord Jesus Christ!

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This statement gives us some important information.

A. That Sunday was already recognized as the Lord's day at this time according to verse 59, in honor of the resurrection.

B. Ignatius does not think that Christians should keep Sabbath after the Jewish manner.

C. However he does in fact say that all should keep the Sabbath, (v.58) but not keeping the regulations of tradition from the Jews (lukewarm drinks, Sabbath day's journey etc.) Instead they were to celebrate it in a spiritual way in contemplation of the Scriptures etc.

D. Some see a contradiction between vs. 50 and 58. However, in the Greek we see a different picture.

E. Ignatius is the first reference to the 8th day concept. He says it is a statement by a prophet, but does not indicate which one. I have not been able to locate the prophetic statement, but perhaps others are aware of it and can post it.


(The following info on the longer and shorter readings is taken from the introductory material to the Ignatius letters in Cleveland Coxe's Ante-Nicene Fathers, American edition)

There are shorter and longer versions of Ignatius. Opinions vary as to which is legitimate. There are two Greek recensions containing both the long and short versions. For some time scholars preferred the shorter. But the discovery of an old Syriac version also contained the longer reading, re-igniting the debate. The second phrase (v.58) is part of the longer reading. Vs. 50 is in both.

To complicate it more the Greek of vs. 50 is likely mistranslated in the above English version. . Here is the English translation of the phrase:

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things49 have come to the possession of a new50 hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance51 of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith,52 and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master-how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher?

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And here is a link to the Greek.

http://www.ccel.org/l/lake/fathers/ignatius-magnesians.htm#IX


Now a few notes:


A. there is no word for day, hmera , some assume it to be a supplied substantive.

B. The Greek manuscript discovered with Siniaticus actually has the word zwhn which is not present in this Greek version provided by the web site. They omitted this, following the Latin translations.

C. There is evidence from the next phrase "in which", which is in the feminine, that there is a feminine word being referenced.. The aforementioned hmera, or zwhn could be that word. But since the one is clearly present in the Greek (Zwhn) but the other is not present in any text, but was assumed, then the issue is rather clear.

D. The word translated as "no longer keeping the Sabbath" is just the participle form, and translating it literally Sabatizing would be accurate.

E. Moreover, as commentators have pointed out, the context is referring to the prophets of old. No one suggests that they kept Sunday. So the reading is much better rendered.

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer sabbatizing, but living in the observance of the Lord's own life (or own way of living), by which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death-whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith .....

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In other words the text is saying that the prophets lived according to the Lord's own way of life (keeping the Sabbath without the Jewish traditions).

If the longer reading is to be viewed as valid, then it harmonizes with this rendering well. And it endorses the Sabbath, but not after the Jewish manner of legalism. He is telling them to keep the Sabbath, but not in the old way. And if not then he is simply saying to live after the Lord's way of life, and that of the prophets (not keeping the Sabbath traditions of the Sabbath). So essentially the same. In one it is a clear endorsement of both Sabbath and Sunday, and in the other an endorsement of not legalizing Sabbath.

This early view shows that if nothing else the Sabbath was not yet replaced with Sunday. Though there were questions on how the Sabbath figured into the Christian life. We also see in the letter some growing hostility to the Jewish manners.

Next we see a series of statements that either endorse Sunday, or endorse Sunday, but also state that it has replaced the Sabbath. However, while some of these statements are quite clear, they are balanced by statements in church histories that this is actually the minority opinion. More on that in a bit.


The Didache

While some date this text as early as 60-90 AD it is often now seen to be a document from the early second century. There are no clear references to events that can be dated. Instead the information that it is dated by is the doctrine etc. The doctrine of the Didache seems to be less developed than some later texts in regards to church structure, etc. compared to Ignatius, which either favors an earlier date, or a different location. However, it also makes reference to some material that is regarded as later. Here is a discussion of the later date:

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/richardson/fathers.viii.i.i.html#viii.i.i


Here is the reference to the Lord's day.

14:1 But on the Lord's day, after that ye have assembled together, break bread and give thanks, having in addition confessed your sins, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let not any one who hath a quarrel with his companion join with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be polluted, for it is that which is spoken of by the Lord. In every place and time offer unto me a pure sacrifice, for I am a great King, saith the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the Gentiles.

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It says to assemble on the first day. It does not, as some later texts do, mention anything about a replacement of Sabbath with Sunday.

But here, as with Ignatius, there is also a translation issue. Here is the Greek text:

http://www.ccel.org/l/lake/fathers/didache.htm

The beginning of chapter 14 is the text in question. Notice that the reading is Kata Kuriakhn de kuriou.

This is the part rendered "but on the Lord's day", but again hmera does not occur. Nor in fact is it just left out, assumed to be substantival. Instead it literally says "but according to the Lord of lords."

So barring the possibility that this is some unknown idiom the reading would literally be:

14:1 But according to the Lord of lords, after that ye have assembled together, break bread and give thanks, having in addition confessed your sins, that your sacrifice may be pure.

Now, the context again fits with this rather well. First of all the Christians at this time were not most likely sacrificing still, since Hebrews informs us that the true sacrifice made further ones unnecessary. So there are only a few ways to understand this text.

A. They were still keeping feasts such as passover, with sacrifices. This seems unlikely.

B. The sacrifice was that of the eucharist. But then we understand that even Catholics do no take the eucharist to be an actual sacrifice.

C. He is quoting the Lord in his statement about leaving your sacrifice at the altar and going to be reconciled with your brother before worship.

This last one makes sense of why he would say the Lord of lords, to indicate that it was Jesus, and the next statement was a reference to His words.

The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus Probably around 130 AD, although there is no specific event mentioned to form a date. Here he is referring to the practices of the Jews:

But as to their scrupulosity concerning meats, and their superstition as respects the Sabbaths, and their boasting about circumcision, and their fancies about fasting and the new moons, which are utterly ridiculous and unworthy of notice,—I do not[1] think that you require to learn anything from me. For, to accept some of those things which have been formed by God for the use of men as properly formed, and to reject others as useless and redundant,—how can this be lawful? And to speak falsely of God, as if He forbade us to do what is good on the Sabbath-days,—how is not this impious?

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He dismisses the ceremonial laws regarding clean and unclean foods, but on the issue of Sabbath he condemns the "superstition as respects the Sabbath." Then he goes on to dispute the notion of the Jews that you cannot do well on the Sabbath. This seems to be a reference to the Christians upholding the Sabbath days, but doing good on them, as Jesus did.

The Epistle of Barnabas

The dating of this epistle is uncertain, and possibly covers a long range, again because it does not make clear reference to events. It is certainly after the destruction of Jerusalem (AD 70). But most put it closer to AD 130 or so, based on the use of materials similar to those of the Didache.

The letter is generally very negative toward Judaism, favoring a later date when the relations were poor. The interpretations of Scripture are rather poor in general in my particular view, and that of some commentators.

Here were a couple of odd interpretations I noted while reading through it:

Learn then, my children, concerning all things richly, that
Abraham, the first who enjoined circumcision, looking forward in spirit to
Jesus, practiced that rite, having received the mysteries of the three letters.
For [the Scripture] saith, "And Abraham circumcised ten, and eight, and
three hundred men of his household." What, then, was the knowledge given
to him in this? Learn the eighteen first, and then the three hundred. The ten
and the eight are thus denoted — Ten by I, and Eight by H. You have [the
initials of the, name of] Jesus. And because the cross was to express the
grace [of our redemption] by the letter T, he says also, "Three Hundred."
He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one. He
knows this, who has put within us the engrafted gift of His doctrine. No
one has been admitted by me to a more excellent piece of knowledge than
this, but I know that ye are worthy.

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It is a stretch that Abraham understood circumcision to be a symbol of the initials of Jesus, and therefore circumcized just the right number of people to spell out the initials of Jesus in ROMAN Numerals.

This kind of spiritualization is the norm in the letter.

Here is another example:

Now, wherefore did Moses say, "Thou shalt not eat the swine, nor the
eagle, nor the hawk, nor the raven, nor any fish which is not possessed of
scales?" He embraced three doctrines in his mind [in doing so]. Moreover,
the Lord saith to them in Deuteronomy, "And I will establish my
ordinances among this people." Is there then not a command of God they
should not eat [these things]? There is, but Moses spoke with a spiritual
reference. For this reason he named the swine, as much as to say, "Thou
shalt not join thyself to men who resemble swine." For when they live in
pleasure, they forget their Lord; but when they come to want, they
acknowledge the Lord. And [in like manner] the swine, when it has eaten,
does not recognize its master; but when hungry it cries out, and on
receiving food is quiet again. "Neither shalt thou eat," says he "the eagle,
nor the hawk, nor the kite, nor the raven." "Thou shalt not join thyself,"
he means, "to such men as know not how to procure food for themselves
by labor and sweat, but seize on that of others in their iniquity, and
although wearing an aspect of simplicity, are on the watch to plunder
others." So these birds, while they sit idle, inquire how they may devour
the flesh of others, proving themselves pests [to all] by their wickedness.
"And thou shalt not eat," he says, "the lamprey, or the polypus, or the
cuttlefish." He means, "Thou shalt not join thyself or be like to such men
as are ungodly to the end, and are condemned to death." In like manner as
those fishes, above accursed, float in the deep, not swimming [on the
surface] like the rest, but make their abode in the mud which lies at the
bottom. Moreover, "Thou shalt not," he says, "eat the hare." Wherefore?
"Thou shalt not be a corrupter of boys, nor like unto such." Because the
hare multiplies, year by year, the places of its conception; for as many
years as it lives so many it has. Moreover, "Thou shalt not eat the hyena."
He means, "Thou shalt not be an adulterer, nor a corrupter, nor be like to
them that are such." Wherefore? Because that animal annually changes its
sex, and is at one time male, and at another female. Moreover, he has
rightly detested the weasel. For he means, "Thou shalt not be like to those
whom we hear of as committing wickedness with the mouth, on account of
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their uncleanness; nor shalt thou be joined to those impure women who
commit iniquity with the mouth. For this animal conceives by the mouth."
Moses then issued three doctrines concerning meats with a spiritual
significance; but they received them according to fleshly desire, as if he had
merely spoken of [literal] meats. David, however, comprehends the
knowledge of the three doctrines, and speaks in like manner: "Blessed is
the man who hath not walked in the counsel of the ungodly," even as the
fishes [referred to] go in darkness to the depths [of the sea]; "and hath not
stood in the way of sinners," even as those who profess to fear the Lord,
but go astray like swine; "and hath not sat in the seat of scorners," even as
those birds that lie in wait for prey. Take a full and firm grasp of this
spiritual knowledge. But Moses says still further, "Ye shall eat every
animal that is cloven-footed and ruminant." What does he mean? [The
ruminant animal denotes him] who, on receiving food, recognizes Him that
nourishes him, and being satisfied by Him, is visibly made glad. Well spake
[Moses], having respect to the commandment. What, then, does he mean?
That we ought to join ourselves to those that fear the Lord, those who
meditate in their heart on the commandment which they have received,
those who both utter the judgments of the Lord and observe them, those
who know that meditation is a work of gladness, and who ruminate upon
the word of the Lord. But what means the cloven-footed? That the
righteous man also walks in this world, yet looks forward to the holy state
[to come]. Behold how well Moses legislated. But how was it possible for
them to understand or comprehend these things? We then, rightly
understanding his commandments, explain them as the Lord intended. For
this purpose He circumcised our ears and our hearts, that we might
understand these things.

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It again seems a stretch that God gave the dietary laws to show that people should not associate with those who have oral sex and conception as he thinks that weasels do, or those who change genders as he thinks that hyenas do. There is also no indication that David wrote Psalm 1 to clarify the kind of people that the dietary laws were referring to.

These things are way out there. His approach to Scripture leaves a lot to be desired.

Now here is his statement regarding the Sabbath. And while his reasoning is again rather unusual it is important because it is the first statement in which the Sabbath is clearly seen as replaced with Sunday. So by this time we are safe to say that some at least are making this argument.

Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which
[the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, "And sanctify
ye the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart." And He
says in another place, "If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my
mercy to rest upon them." The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of
the creation [thus]: "And God made in six days the works of His hands,
and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it."
Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, "He finished in six
days." This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand
years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth,
saying, "Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years." Therefore, my
children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be
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finished. "And He rested on the seventh day." This meaneth: when His
Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge
the ungodly, and change the sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He
truly rest on the seventh day.

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Ok, so first of all he is saying that the Sabbath command was not in fact a command but was an eschatalogical prophecy.

Second he is predicting the second coming in 6k years. Apparently he missed the memo on not knowing the hour of Jesus' coming. But he certainly was not alone on that error. Or perhaps he used the same justification others have that it is not the day or hour, just the general time period.

Moreover, He says, "Thou shalt sanctify it
with pure hands and a pure heart." If, therefore, any one can now sanctify
the day which God hath sanctified, except he is pure in heart in all things,
we are deceived. Behold, therefore: certainly then one properly resting
sanctifies it, when we ourselves, having received the promise, wickedness
no longer existing, and all things having been made new by the Lord, shall
be able to work righteousness. Then we shall be able to sanctify it, having
been first sanctified ourselves. Further, He says to them, "Your new
moons and your Sabbath I cannot endure." Ye perceive how He speaks:
Your present Sabbaths are not acceptable to Me, but that is which I have
made, [namely this,] when, giving rest to all things, I shall make a beginning
of the eighth day, that is, a beginning of another world. Wherefore, also, we
keep the eighth day with joyfullness, the day also on which Jesus rose
again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended
into the heavens.

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And now he speaks of an 8th day. Ignatius also made reference to an 8th day, so this was certainly an early understanding of the rationale for keeping Sunday in honor of the resurrection.

However, he already said that the seventh day will not occur until the second coming. He now says that the 8th day...which follows the 7th...comes at Jesus first coming. And on what does he base this? Well we are a bit in the dark on that one, but he bases the removal of the Sabbath on a misreading of the statement about "Your Sabbaths I cannot endure." The text in context was speaking of God's anger with the people over their sins. Their forms were empty without obedience.

His reasons are different than those of Ignatius in part, and different from Justin Martyr as well, who is the next source. So while there is no doubt that Sunday observance was taking place here, and indeed earlier in the time of Ignatius, there does not seem to be a unified rationale yet. As noted above this letter is the first to mention replacement of one day with the other.

The First Apology of Justin Martyr

The letter was addressed to Antoninus Pius, so this dates the writing from between 138-161.

Justin lays out a thorough defense of the Christians to the emporer who has been unduly persecuting the church as criminals. It is truly a heroic work. In it he makes some of the first reference to the definite rituals surrounding the Lord's Day in the early church. Here is the quote from chapter 67

And on the day called
Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place,
and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as
long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president
verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then
we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is
ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like
manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the
people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a
participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who
are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do,
and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited
with the president, who succors the orphans and widows and those who,
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through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in
bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of
all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our
common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having
wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus
Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead. For He was
crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after
that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His
apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have
submitted to you also for your consideration.

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Here is noted that the Christians meet on Sunday. He says that this is so because it was the first day on which at creation God made the world. This is not a terribly biblical argument, since the original Sabbath was the 7th because of the completed creation. He also notes the more traditional reason of it being the day of the resurrection. He makes no note about the 8th day argument which Ignatius and Barnabas used. So it seems that there is still no universal rationale.

Some have noted particularly the last part of the statement, regarding what Jesus taught His disciples as proof that the Sunday concept was in fact from Jesus Himself. However, when looking in context it is clear that this statement is in fact the conclusion of a whole section, starting at the end of chapter 14 in which a summary of the teachings of Christ is given. Most of these have direct quotes from Jesus to substantiate them. So the statement is simply wrapping up that part of the document. And it is noteworthy that there is no statement of Jesus cited, or any biblical reason at all cited, for observance of Sunday, other than the rather illogical one of the first day of the creation.



The Martyrdom of Polycarp



The date on this is a bit hard to pinpoint, but is probably around 150.

In Chapter 21 the following is recorded:

Now, the blessed Polycarp suffered martyrdom on the second day of the month Xanthicus just begun,[1] the seventh day before the Kalends of May, on the great Sabbath, at the eighth hour.

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The text notes in the ANF collection notes that the month Xanthicus is a poor translation, and should probably be rendered the second day of the current month. It also notes that the great Sabbath would be the one before the Passover.

So while some might see in this a reference to Sabbath keeping, it is more likely just a way to date the event according to common understanding. It is unclear whether this meant that the Christian community was keeping the Passover at this time. It is doubtful, but I suppose possible.

In chapter 7 we see a reference to preparation day being the day of his capture. This would not be referring to the Passover, so we must assume it therefore refers to the weekly Sabbath. The question here is whether it is mentioned because the Christians are keeping Sabbath, or again, as a way to tell what day. This one is better evidence than the above reference, but again is not conclusive.


Some other references which uphold Sunday, of a later date.

The Didascalia (later revised into the apostolic constitutions)

The apostles further appointed; On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Victorinus

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0711.htm

The document is probably around 300 AD.

For light was made before sky and the earth. This sixth day is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. For He perfected Adam, whom He made after His image and likeness. But for this reason He completed His works before He created angels and fashioned man, lest perchance they should falsely assert that they had been His helpers. On this day also. on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God, or a fast. On the seventh day He rested from all His works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord's day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews, which Christ Himself, the Lord of the Sabbath, says by His prophets that "His soul hateth;" which Sabbath He in His body abolished, although, nevertheless, He had formerly Himself commanded Moses that circumcision should not pass over the eighth day, which day very frequently happens on the Sabbath, as we read written in the Gospel. Moses, foreseeing the hardness of that people, on the Sabbath raised up his hands, therefore, and thus figuratively fastened himself to a cross. And in the battle they were sought for by the foreigners on the Sabbath-day, that they might be taken captive, and, as if by the very strictness of the law, might be fashioned to the avoidance of its teaching.

And thus in the sixth Psalm for the eighth day, David asks the Lord that He would not rebuke him in His anger, nor judge him in His fury; for this is indeed the eighth day of that future judgment, which will pass beyond the order of the sevenfold arrangement. Jesus also, the son of Nave, the successor of Moses, himSelf broke the Sabbath-day; for on the Sabbath-day he commanded the children of Israel to go round the walls of the city of Jericho with trumpets, and declare war against the aliens. Matthias also, prince of Judah, broke the Sabbath; for he slew the prefect of Antiochus the king of Syria on the Sabbath, and subdued the foreigners by pursuing them. And in Matthew we read, that it is written Isaiah also and the rest of his colleagues broke the Sabbath--that that true and just Sabbath should be observed in the seventh millenary of years. Wherefore to those seven days the Lord attributed to each a thousand years; for thus went the warning: "In Thine eyes, O Lord, a thousand years are as one day." Therefore in the eyes of the Lord each thousand of years is ordained, for I find that the Lord's eyes are seven. Wherefore, as I have narrated, that true Sabbath will be in the seventh millenary of years, when Christ with His elect shall reign. Moreover, the seven heavens agree with those days; for thus we are warned: "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the powers of them by the spirit of His mouth." There are seven spirits. Their names are the spirits which abode on the Christ of God, as was intimated in Isaiah the prophet: "And there rests upon Him the spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of wisdom and of piety, and the spirit of God's fear hath filled Him." Therefore the highest heaven is the heaven of wisdom; the second, of understanding; the third, of counsel; the fourth, of might; the fifth, of knowledge; the sixth, of piety; the seventh, of God's fear. From this, therefore, the thunders bellow, the lightnings are kindled, the fires are heaped together; fiery darts appear, stars gleam, the anxiety caused by the dreadful comet is aroused. Sometimes it happens that the sun and moon approach one another, and cause those more than frightful appearances, radiating with light in the field of their aspect. But the author of the whole creation is Jesus. His name is the Word; for thus His Father says: "My heart hath emitted a good word." John the evangelist thus says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was nothing made that was made." Therefore, first, was made the creation; secondly, man, the lord of the human race, as says the apostle. Therefore this Word, when it made light, is called Wisdom; when it made the sky, Understanding; when it made land and sea, Counsel; when it made sun and moon and other bright things, Power; when it calls forth land and sea, Knowledge; when it formed man, Piety; when it blesses and sanctifies man, it has the name of God's fear.

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The whole treatise seems to be regarding fasting days etc. Here he repeats the 7k years argument of Barnabas. He also states that Joshua and Isaiah, though it might be in this place indicating Jesus, broke the Sabbath. However, here he disagrees with Irenaeus' against heresies when Irenaeus indicates in book 4 chapter 8 that David, or the priests or Jesus did not in fact break the Sabbath, but upheld the law. He also states that Jesus abolished the Sabbath in His body, but gives no text on this.


More late references that show a more definite replacement:

Eusebius

They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 325]).



Athanasius

The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord's day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord's day as being the memorial of the new creation (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem

Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling indifferent meats common or unclean (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

Council of Laodicea

Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord's Day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians (canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

John Chrysostom

When he said, "You shall not kill" . . . he did not add "because murder is a wicked thing." The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath — "On the seventh day you shall do no work"— he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? "Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make" [Ex. 20:10]. And again: "Because you were a servant in the land of Egypt" [Deut. 21:18]. For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: '"You shall not kill... You shall not commit adultery... You shall not steal." On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition (Homilies on the Statues 12:9 [A.D. 387]).



You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the Law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul's words, that the observance of the Law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews? (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).

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However, we still see clear indications that, despite the above statements, this sentiment that the Sabbath was replaced is far from universal.

Apostolic Constitutions 4th century

In this text we see both being kept, and an endorsement of Sabbath, in honor of the command. Like Ignatius it stresses that it is a day for meditation of Scripture, not for external rest.

http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/ANF-07/anf07-41.htm#P5614_2026032

XXXVI. Have before thine eyes the fear of God, and always remember the ten commandments of God,-to love the one and only Lord God with all thy strength; to give no heed to idols, or any other beings, as being lifeless gods, or irrational beings or daemons. Consider the manifold workmanship of God, which received its beginning through Christ. Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands.

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And a bit later on:

Be not careless of yourselves, neither deprive your Saviour of His own members, neither divide His body nor disperse His members, neither prefer the occasions of this life to the word of God; but assemble yourselves together every day, morning and evening, singing psalms and praying in the Lord's house: in the morning saying the sixty-second Psalm, and in the evening the hundred and fortieth, but principally on the Sabbath-day. And on the day of our Lord's resurrection, which is the Lord's day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent Him to us, and condescended to let Him suffer, and raised Him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day to hear the saving word concerning the resurrection, on which we pray thrice standing in memory of Him who arose in three days, in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the Gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food?

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These next two are both church histories, and show that the picture of the church not keeping the Sabbath anymore is actually quite in error. Rather, this was only the case in certain locations by the time of the 5th century.

Church Historian, Socrates Scholasticus, 5th Century
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26015.htm

History book V

Nor is there less variation in regard to religious assemblies. For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries on the sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this. The Egyptians in the neighborhood of Alexandria, and the inhabitants of Thebais, hold their religious assemblies on the sabbath, but do not participate of the mysteries in the manner usual among Christians in general: for after having eaten and satisfied themselves with food of all kinds, in the evening making their offerings they partake of the mysteries.

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Significantly he states that almost all churches throughout the wold celebrate the sacred mysteries on the Sabbath of every week, but those churches in Alexandria and Rome have stopped do to some ancient tradition. A similar statement is seen in the historian Sozomen.

Evidence #2: Church Historian, Sozomen, 5th Century

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26027.htm

The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.

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So the evidence is quite mixed. We see an endorsement of both days from Ignatius, a number of references to Sunday worship early on, some indications of replacement from the mid second century on, but then clear indications in the 4th and 5th century that nearly every church except in Alexandria and Rome are assembling and celebrating mass on the Sabbath of each week. Even those who endorse Sunday seem to have a variety of reasons, but no direct biblical command.

The evidence is of a change over time. Certainly it would be hard to say, given this evidence that the teaching was given by Jesus that Sunday was to replace Sabbath. If this were the case then it would hardly make sense to see almost the whole church still assembling on Sabbath each week 400 years later.

I want to close with the note that from my point of view, observing Sunday is not a sin. But ignoring one of God's commandments is a sin. So Sabbath observance, for which there is no biblical statement of change, should be continued, just as it was by the majority of the churches until the 5th century.

You also have not addressed why you disagree with Erenaeus when you say that Jesus (and David) broke God's law in regard to the Sabbath.

tall73 said:

You also have not addressed why you disagree with Erenaeus when you say that Jesus (and David) broke God's law in regard to the Sabbath.

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The Sabbath was made for Man, it was 'temporary', thus to break it wasn't breaking a law of God (eternal).

I love your emotive statement above where you claim I just sit there and ingore the evidence, when I've cited evidence YOU have cited, that disagrees with you; take note of St. Ignatius of Antioch, etc above!

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The Sabbath was made for Man, it was 'temporary', thus to break it wasn't breaking a law of God (eternal).

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Where does it say it was temporary? And where does it say that the fact that the Sabbath was made for man indicate that Jesus broke the Sabbath.
I see you still won't acknowledge that Jesus did not sin by breaking a commandment of God. If He did He could never be a Savior to anyone. Everyone agrees that the Sabbath was in fact in force at least until the resurrection. So if Jesus didn't keep it He would be sinning.

Nor have you, though claiming to stand by tradition, explained why you disagree with Irenaeus on this question. He says that neither Jesus nor David nor the priests sinned.

So why would you side with the pharisees and against the Bible, and against Irenaeus just to hold to this point?

It is clear that Jesus meant to reform the Sabbath from man made rules that the Jews had introduced. He brought it back to its original intent, which was a blessing for man. Hence, He could say that it was created for man, and He could say He desired mercy not sacrifice.

I love your emotive statement above where you claim I just sit there and ingore the evidence, when I've cited evidence YOU have cited, that disagrees with you; take note of St. Ignatius of Antioch, etc above!

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Sorry, it is not emotive. You have made no attempt to explain those texts which speak of Sabbath observance in the ECF. So instead of calling my statement emotive, why not address the issue and say how you make sense of those texts? If not then it is you that is trying to evoke emotion by belittling what you can't answer.

And notice that none of your evidence disagrees with my view, since it is my view, and has been from the beginning that there was a gradual change in the understanding of Sunday. This is in fact shown in the writings, the very sourcies you cited. So far from discounting my theory, the statements you make much of are essential to it. There is a wide range of views on the Sabbath and Sunday in the fathers. The trend over time was to, in certain locations, change from Sabbath, to Sabbath and Sunday, to finally just Sunday. This is supported in the texts you cited, and in the statements of history that show that the majority, except for those locations were keeping it in the 5th century.


Moreover you have continually rejected the linguistic evidence on Ignatius. Plainly put it doesn't say what you claim it does, because you are not dealing with the Greek. So until you deal with the linguistic argument you are still putting your head in the sand on Ignatius, and Sozomen, and the Apostolic Constitutions, which you can only quote some of the phrases dealing with the question and not others.

I have noticed how the SDA wants a scripture to prove the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but cannot give a scripture to prove the Sabbath is Saturday.

Normann

I cannot keep the Sabbath because I am retired and don't work 6 days.

Normann said:

I have noticed how the SDA wants a scripture to prove the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but cannot give a scripture to prove the Sabbath is Saturday.

Normann

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Normann,

This has been dealt with. You simply ignore history, so you will not see things that ALL others in this thread sees. Even the Catholics know which day the Sabbath fell on, they just disagree on it validity today. You are really the only person I have ever seen that can't grasp it. I guess the Jews who have been keeping Sabbath for the last 4000 years just don't know what they are doing then?

Chris

Normann said:

I have noticed how the SDA wants a scripture to prove the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but cannot give a scripture to prove the Sabbath is Saturday.

Normann

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Normann,

Lets see if I can get this other point across to you. I AM NOT SDA
ok, now that I have stated that, this thread isn't an sda vs the world thread, it is about Sabbath vs Sunday basically. You keep throwing all sabbatarians in with the SDA and most of the other sabbatarians do not agree with the doctrines of the SDA church. So, if you will address the issue. Because the Sabbath isn't a SDA creation, as a matter of fact it was incorporated from the Seventh Day Baptist, who kept the Sabbath a good 200 years before the SDA church was even thought of. If you have an issue with just the SDA's then start another thread dealing with that issue, but leave it out of here, please.

Thank you,

Chris

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I cannot keep the Sabbath because I am retired and don't work 6 days.

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This has been dealt with, you never responded to it.

Normann, I notice you just ignore everything, I am wondering if you even read the post or understand the topic. So far you have given no response to anything said to you. Normann, have you studied this topic out? or are you just going by what someone else said to you?

Chris

There is no punishment, as far as I know, to those that want to keep the Sabbath. However the command to keep the Sabbath is not for the New Testament Church.

An interesting scripture is below, note that the Sabbath was not mentioned, note also the man needed only one more thing to have treasures in heaven.

If the Sabbath is so important why then did not Jesus tell him there were two things he lacked?

Luke 18:18-22
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. [21] And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. [22] Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

Normann said:

There is no punishment, as far as I know, to those that want to keep the Sabbath. However the command to keep the Sabbath is not for the New Testament Church.

An interesting scripture is below, note that the Sabbath was not mentioned, note also the man needed only one more thing to have treasures in heaven.

If the Sabbath is so important why then did not Jesus tell him there were two things he lacked?

Luke 18:18-22
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother. [21] And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. [22] Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

IN THE MASTER'S SERVICE,
Normann

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Ok, maybe he was already keeping Sabbath since he is a Jew. But I will not assume he was for the sake of argument...so then, according to you, it is ok, to Covet, Have other gods, use the Lord's name in vain, and make and bow down to idols am I correct in your understanding of the text? since it doesn't mention them here?

Honestly, I fail to see how the shows what you are trying to say.

Chris

Exactly. He said to keep the commandments, and mentions 5 of the 10 from the 10 commands. I think it is pretty clear which ones He means. And I think it is also pretty clear that Sabbath was among them.

Incidentally Old Sage, what font are you using for your Greek font on here? I have found some that paste in, but none that I can actually write with.

tall73 said:

Incidentally Old Sage, what font are you using for your Greek font on here? I have found some that paste in, but none that I can actually write with.

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You will have to get a font that is unicode, there are several on the net, Rodney Decker has one http://faculty.bbc.edu/rdecker/galilee.htm , and this is another one of the unicode fonts here http://home.att.net/~jameskass/code2000_page.htm

What I mostly do is copy the greek from my BibleWorks program to my MS Word and then use a macro to convert it to one of the unicode fonts
If you have BibleWorks you can go to the BibleWorks Forums site and get the macro off there.

Chris

tall73 said:

Exactly. He said to keep the commandments, and mentions 5 of the 10 from the 10 commands. I think it is pretty clear which ones He means. And I think it is also pretty clear that Sabbath was among them.

Incidentally Old Sage, what font are you using for your Greek font on here? I have found some that paste in, but none that I can actually write with.

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What did you say your rabai wears?

Normann said:

I have noticed how the SDA wants a scripture to prove the Sabbath was changed to Sunday, but cannot give a scripture to prove the Sabbath is Saturday.

Normann

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The 7th day of the weeks IS Saturday! The question is not over which day is right, its about whether we are required in the new Covenant to keep the 7th day Sabbath, which we are not.

9 of the 10 commandments were re-iterated in the NT!! One was NOT! Guess which one? The Sabbath..wonder why?

karenmarie said:

9 of the 10 commandments were re-iterated in the NT!! One was NOT! Guess which one? The Sabbath..wonder why?

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The SDA's have already answered this, because it wsa just 'understood' to be continued. Making a 'just-so' statement.

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Where does it say it was temporary? And where does it say that the fact that the Sabbath was made for man indicate that Jesus broke the Sabbath.

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Gone over this already; look at why Adam was not given the law on the Sabbath, nor Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Joseph etc.

tall73 said:

I see you still won't acknowledge that Jesus did not sin by breaking a commandment of God. If He did He could never be a Savior to anyone. Everyone agrees that the Sabbath was in fact in force at least until the resurrection. So if Jesus didn't keep it He would be sinning.

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He didn't sin because He didn't break a law of God for God, but a law made for man. He said so.

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Nor have you, though claiming to stand by tradition, explained why you disagree with Irenaeus on this question. He says that neither Jesus nor David nor the priests sinned.

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It was made for man. It would be no more a sin than to disobey a law, if parliament said we all have to wear little red hats.

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So why would you side with the pharisees and against the Bible, and against Irenaeus just to hold to this point?

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See above.

tall73 said:

It is clear that Jesus meant to reform the Sabbath from man made rules that the Jews had introduced. He brought it back to its original intent, which was a blessing for man. Hence, He could say that it was created for man, and He could say He desired mercy not sacrifice.

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Where does He say that?

tall73 said:

Sorry, it is not emotive. You have made no attempt to explain those texts which speak of Sabbath observance in the ECF. So instead of calling my statement emotive, why not address the issue and say how you make sense of those texts? If not then it is you that is trying to evoke emotion by belittling what you can't answer.

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I already highlighted the little bits you ignored/misunderstood.

tall73 said:

And notice that none of your evidence disagrees with my view, since it is my view, and has been from the beginning that there was a gradual change in the understanding of Sunday.

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Yes, I know you've continued to state your view Thanks for doing so again.

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This is in fact shown in the writings, the very sourcies you cited. So far from discounting my theory, the statements you make much of are essential to it.

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Really? SO now you're arguing that the citations you made, and I made show that they didn't observe the Jewish "Sabbath"?

tall73 said:

There is a wide range of views on the Sabbath and Sunday in the fathers.

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Truism?

tall73 said:

The trend over time was to, in certain locations, change from Sabbath, to Sabbath and Sunday, to finally just Sunday. This is supported in the texts you cited, and in the statements of history that show that the majority, except for those locations were keeping it in the 5th century.

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Even if this were true, I've no problem with it, BECAUSE the Sabbath was not for all time, (see above)... hence we (not you) don't eat pork, etc.
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