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Which creator God is real?

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Who ever created the world, would naturally have the biggest following. Thus, Christianity is the real one.

So, by that logic, the identity of the creator would actually change according to what people believed at the time the question was asked? For example, 5000 years ago the creator would have been from the ancient Egyptian pantheon, or the greek one?

That makes sense if religion and God were creations of man, which, as it happens, is my view.
 
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So, by that logic, the identity of the creator would actually change according to what people believed at the time the question was asked? For example, 5000 years ago the creator would have been from the ancient Egyptian pantheon, or the greek one?
No, because there are no statistics for which you can say that more people believed in a different diety. However, there are statistics today, which are not only reliable, but overwhelmingly in favor of Christianity.
 
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what rubbish. the OP asked about dieties. so obviously, my statement only concerns followers of dieties. out of followers of dieties, Christianity is easily the largest. There's no reason why that number can't increase to include many even most of the two-thirds that are currently not Christian.

way to try to play silly semantic games just to win a point.
 
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Islam is currently larger than any individual denomination of Christianity, it's also the fastest growing religion.
 
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What's "ludicrous"? If God really exists, wouldn't His influence as God cause Him to have the largest following?

Besides, that's just one of many reasons why Christianity can be considered the "true" religion.
 
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Shinbits, universal truth isn't measured in mass appeal.

If it were, then who was the creator before Judaism existed?
Christianity has roots going back to Abraham, and beyond. So I'd still so the Christian God. Besides, I didn't say that popularity is the only or even the biggest reason why Christianity can be considered the true religion. But it's perfectly logical that the creator of the world would have the largest following, as opposed to gods that don't exist.

Islam is currently larger than any individual denomination of Christianity, it's also the fastest growing religion.
It's the fastest growing religon, but NOT the largest:

Major Religions Ranked by Size

Chrisitianity is still easily the largest religion.
 
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Yahweh is the Creator God...I think that many people people did or do retain a knowledge of Yahweh...it's just got distorted etc over the centuries... hence all the different gods, some of which are far more off the mark than others. Even Christians do not have full knowledge of God....and I daresay no-one will 'til we meet Him face to face.
That's not to say that people should worship false gods...rather that I believe that if someone is really seeking Truth, then God has and will provide it for Him....and if you ask why He doesnt and hasnt got everyone immediately into full knowledge of Him and His ways, I can't answer that, because I don't really know, though I'm sure that some people have some thoughts on that...and God must have His reasons.
 
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No, because there are no statistics for which you can say that more people believed in a different diety. However, there are statistics today, which are not only reliable, but overwhelmingly in favor of Christianity.

So, why should we use today as a benchmark? Shouldn't the method of determining the creator god be the same at any given point in time? If it's not, it's a pretty lousy method that can be immediately discounted.
 
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So, why should we use today as a benchmark? Shouldn't the method of determining the creator god be the same at any given point in time? If it's not, it's a pretty lousy method that can be immediately discounted.
Because today is what we have. We don't have tommorrow, and we don't have statistics from the past. So logically, only today can be the benchmark. But the method of determining the creator, is as you're asking, the same, as it would've been in the past, if we started taking statistics then, as it will be in the future. So by your own standard, it's a system that should be continued.
 
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Because today is what we have. We don't have tommorrow, and we don't have statistics from the past. So logically, today would be the benchmark.

No, logically the proposed method is useless, as it would imply that the creator god can change according to the amount of followers of any given faith. Even without written records, we know for a fact that Christianity was non-existant before Jesus. If you start counting in the other abrahamic religions as well, you need to concider that their dogmas might be as valid as yours, so that's not a logical step for any Christian literalist.
 
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No, logically the proposed method is useless, as it would imply that the creator god can change according to the amount of followers of any given faith.
Not all. As as said---repeatedly---it's the not the only indicator of whether or not a religion is the true one. Popularity is no indicator of turth, but it's certainly nothing to sneeze at, that two billion people---much more than any other religion---are Christians.

Sharpen your reading comprehension. I said Christianity's roots extend back to Abraham, not Christianity itself. Part of the Christian Bible is the OT, isn't it?

There's nothing illogical about what I've said, your reading comprehension needs a tune up.
 
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That's assuming that any of them exist. And even then, to assume that the "real" one has the more followers is ridiculous. Popularity can't be considered reason for anything to be the "One true religion", because every religion out there is a true religion.

Being the most popular doesn't make the validity of your beliefs any more reasonable than the beliefs held by Scientology.


It's the fastest growing religon, but NOT the largest:

Major Religions Ranked by Size

Chrisitianity is still easily the largest religion.
No, Islam isn't the largest, but I highly doubt it's as far off as you'd think. It's a lot easier to count heads in Westernised civilisation, where Christianity is predominant, than somewhere like the Afghanistan or Iraq, or anywhere else in the Middle East, for that matter, where Islam is more prevalent. The rate it is growing, I doubt we'd have to wait 200 years, as Paltoall said, until Islam overtakes Christianity. Maybe not in "official statistics" at first, because they're only what's recordable, but it'd catch up with that, eventually.

And yes, your reasoning is illogical and highly flawed. What about the most popular religions of say... 10,000 years ago? Would the most popular religion then be correct?

One interesting thing to note is atheism being the third most popular "religion", with 1.1 billion, half of all followers of Christianity. 500 years ago if you were to've asked this, we wouldn't've even numbered enough to make it on the list.
 
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I'm not sneezing at it. I'm just disagreeing with your original statement that the popularity of any given religion at any given point in time would indicate in any way the veracity of said belief.

Sharpen your reading comprehension. I said Christianity's roots extend back to Abraham, not Christianity itself. Part of the Christian Bible is the OT, isn't it?

Oh, I understood you perfectly, but I don't think you understood me. You can extend Christianities roots all the way back to the start of Judaism, and probably longer than that, but that's only because the Christian religion is an offshoot of judaism, and the two crees have different dogmas, although they share some of the same holy texts. So, your statement that the Christian god would be the correct one based on the number of followers even before Jesus is demonstrably wrong, as there was no Christian god, but a Judeaic one.

You could have said "the Abrahamic god is the correct one based on numbers of followers" and you would be correct for a longer span of time, but going past the dawn of Judaism, that argument would fall short as well.

There's nothing illogical about what I've said, your reading comprehension needs a tune up.

Yes there is and no it doesn't respectively.
 
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to assume that the "real" one has the more followers is ridiculous.
It would only be rediculous if that was the only reason, or a major reason, as to why Christianity is the real religion. But it's not, it's one of many reasons why Christianity would be the real one. As it stands, it's a good and logical reason.

Popularity can't be considered reason for anything to be the "One true religion", because every religion out there is a true religion.
No so. Not every religion is the most popular one. So not every religion could be the true religion, if we went by that standard alone.

Being the most popular doesn't make the validity of your beliefs any more reasonable than the beliefs held by Scientology.
You wouldn't be saying that if Christianity wasn't as popular as it was. Let's say another religion was more popular; you'd just so, "oh, if your God is real, why do more people flock to another god, huh?" It seems like you'll argue against any point for Christianity, for the sake of arguing.



And yes, your reasoning is illogical and highly flawed. What about the most popular religions of say... 10,000 years ago? Would the most popular religion then be correct?
why not? I bet if another religion suddenly become the most popular, you'd giddily come back here and use it as a point against Christianity.

One interesting thing to note is atheism being the third most popular "religion", with 1.1 billion, half of all followers of Christianity. 500 years ago if you were to've asked this, we wouldn't've even numbered enough to make it on the list.
What you're saying isn't correct at all. The chart says that about one-third of people are non-religous. That's NOT the same as atheism. Non-religious people can include agnostics or people who can be swayed one way or the other. That also includes people who are not part of any religion, but do believe in some sort of higher power. What you're saying about a third of the world being atheist isn't accurate at all.
 
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It would only be rediculous if that was the only reason, or a major reason, as to why Christianity is the real religion. But it's not, it's one of many reasons why Christianity would be the real one. As it stands, it's a good and logical reason.

You seem to think that mass appeal = truth. It doesn't. Millions and millions of people believe Britney Spears is good music. That doesn't make millions and millions of people right, it just makes millions and millions of people as stupid as smeg.


No so. Not every religion is the most popular one. So not every religion could be the true religion, if we went by that standard alone.

See above. Popularity doesn't equate to truth.



No. If another religion was the most popular, I'd say that their beliefs, on an intellectual level, are no more reasonable than the least popular "major religion". See above. Popularity doesn't equate to truth.


why not? I bet if another religion suddenly become the most popular, you'd giddily come back here and use it as a point against Christianity.

Only if someone was stupid enough to suggest that the most popular religion is the correct one.



Ok, then, one interesting thing to note is the non-religious being the third most popular "religion", with 1.1 billion, half of all followers of Christianity. 500 years ago if you were to've asked this, the non-religious wouldn't've numbered enough to make it on the list, then you would've been burned alive for suggesting that there's any other religion apart from Christianity.
 
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Here is how to determine the One True Religion. Check to see which one you wre born into! You will find that you had the amazing good fortune to have been born into the One True Religion.

As for voting / seeing how many people believe in which one is the true one. Nah. Read AV on the subject of Pluto.
 
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You were trying to say that the God of the most popular religion was the creator...
No --- he said the opposite.

The Creator is the God of the most popular religion.
Who ever created the world, would naturally have the biggest following. Thus, Christianity is the real one.
 
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You seem to think that mass appeal = truth. It doesn't. Millions and millions of people believe Britney Spears is good music. That doesn't make millions and millions of people right, it just makes millions and millions of people as stupid as smeg.
Wow. I didn't someone could be this wrong.

Didn't I say over and over that popularity alone doesn't prove anything? The slowness at which some people process things is amazing.




See above. Popularity doesn't equate to truth.
see above. you seem slow to process things.




Only if someone was stupid enough to suggest that the most popular religion is the correct one.
good thing no one this thread's done that.




You just refered to "non-religious" people as "religious".

wow.

I'm fairly sure there's a diagnosis for your inability to grasp what you've done.
 
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