Whey do science & religion have to be at odds with one another?

anyman said:

The story of creation is vague & excludes detail.

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AV1611VET said:

It is?

Genesis 1 says what was done, Who did it, where it was done, when it was done, what order it was done in, and how long it took to do it.

And that's just Genesis 1.

Factoring in other passages, we see why it was done and who the eyewitnesses were.

What more do you want?

And for the record, the story of creation isn't religion --- it's history.

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AV1611VET said:

It is?

Genesis 1 says what was done, Who did it, where it was done, when it was done, what order it was done in, and how long it took to do it.

And that's just Genesis 1.

Factoring in other passages, we see why it was done and who the eyewitnesses were.

What more do you want?

And for the record, the story of creation isn't religion --- it's history.

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anyman said:

Why do science & religion have to be at odds with one another?
The story of creation is vague & excludes detail. God created man from the dust of the earth & time is something entirely different to God than it is to man. If you accept both of those ideas then they are not at odds with science. If Genesis laid out all the details, would its origional readers really be able to grasp them? Is it possible that it used timeless language for all generations? No matter how the universe came to be, there will always be that first domino that fell & started everything. Just a thought.

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Diabeticdick said:

Tangible, experimentally provable evidence beyond that provided by a 2,000+ year old book.

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Freodin said:

I just created a twenty room mansion. By myself and me alone. I did it in my kitchen, just ten minutes ago. I created a roof and a chimney and doors and windows and walls. Didn´t take me more than 30 seconds, then I embedded some age in it (and a swimming pool) and then I went and took a nap.

Now is that concise and detailed?

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AV1611VET said:

I'd say so.

Where are your eyewitnesses?

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jpcedotal said:

Science and religion go hand in hand....it is religion pretending to be science that is at odds with God.

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Wedjat said:

He wrote it down on this forum right here, in fact, I'll use it as a source to write my own version.
In the month of January in the year 2010, Freodin, whilst in his kitchen, set about creating a large, twenty room house. He began at the top with a roof and a chimney, then continued downward, adding doors, windows, and walls. The house was not thirty seconds old, but he wove into it a lifetime of memories and a swimming pool for good measure. Upon completion, he rested.

There, now it's documented in two places.

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jayem said:

What will ultimately be in conflict is naturalism and supernaturalism. These are fundamental premises about the universe. Science, in my opinion, is obligatorily naturalistic. Meaning it holds as an axiom that the universe is solely a function of matter, energy, and the natural behavior thereof. It is purely material. Supernaturalism, OTOH, holds that there are forces and phenomena that exist outside the realm of matter and energy, and aren't bound by the same laws. Yet at the same time, it accepts that these forces can affect the natural realm. Most all religions invoke supernaturalism to some degree to explain events in the material world. That's where conflict will occur. Science, as I see it, presumes naturalistic processes only. You leave the sphere of science when you posit supernatural phenomena.

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1. supernatural = above and beyond the natural
2. natural = what can be routinely observed, tested, quantified
3. subnatural = never existed, myths, legends

jpcedotal said:

Science and religion go hand in hand....it is religion pretending to be science that is at odds with God.

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jpcedotal said:

Science and religion go hand in hand....it is religion pretending to be science that is at odds with God.

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Freodin said:

All this was witnessed by more than two million people.

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Wedjat said:

He wrote it down on this forum right here, in fact, I'll use it as a source to write my own version.
In the month of January in the year 2010, Freodin, whilst in his kitchen, set about creating a large, twenty room house. He began at the top with a roof and a chimney, then continued downward, adding doors, windows, and walls. The house was not thirty seconds old, but he wove into it a lifetime of memories and a swimming pool for good measure. Upon completion, he rested.

There, now it's documented in two places.

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