Where did the Baptists come from?

ShirChadash · Jul 12, 2004

GEL, I didn't realize you were going to also start a thread on this in the history section , but if you dooooooo, could you post the link here so those of us interested in your discussion may also read there

Thankie kindly Luv.

~Z~

Editing to say:
Heh -- nevermind, I found the forum -- I don't roam around CF much and usually stick to the congregations!

Ave Maria · Jul 12, 2004

Here is an interesting website that has 3 pages called the Baptist Story that tells what they believe about the history of Baptists:

http://gospelcenterchurch.org/baptiststory.html - Part 1
http://gospelcenterchurch.org/baptiststorytwo.html - Part 2
http://gospelcenterchurch.org/baptiststorythree.html - Part 3

These pages are from an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist church. The info is very lengthy but interesting.

JM · Jul 12, 2004

Baptists are not protestant and do not have roots in the catholic church, that is a lie.

http://www.pbministries.org/History/baptist_history.htm

GreenEyedLady · Jul 12, 2004

Street Preacher said:
Baptists are not protestant and do not have roots in the catholic church, that is a lie.

http://www.pbministries.org/History/baptist_history.htm

Care to share street preacher, or discuss.
GEL

JM · Jul 13, 2004

GreenEyedLady said:
Care to share street preacher, or discuss.
GEL

Sure, did you take a look at the link? I'm not great at apologetics by any means, but I'll defend my faith...

HiredGoon · Jul 13, 2004

Believers baptism does not a Baptist make. The Baptist denomination began in 17th century England, it was the product of the English Reformation. Trying to claim everyone throughout history who was ever baptized as an adult believer as a Baptist ancestor is not serious, objective, or scholarly history. This falls under the falacious logic that antiquity equals validity or truthfulness. This movement of trying to trace Baptist history back past the 17th century, is an effort of some who falsely believe that if they can prove that somehow Baptist beliefs have been around since the beginning of the Church, then that makes these beliefs more valid or credible. This is completely false. There is nothing wrong with having a history which originates in the 17th century, it is not any less valid than a denomination which dates to the 16th or 5th century. Baptist beliefs are based on Scripture, thats all you need.

@@Paul@@ · Jul 13, 2004

HiredGoon said:
Believers baptism does not a Baptist make. The Baptist denomination began in 17th century England, it was the product of the English Reformation. Trying to claim everyone throughout history who was ever baptized as an adult believer as a Baptist ancestor is not serious, objective, or scholarly history. This falls under the falacious logic that antiquity equals validity or truthfulness. This movement of trying to trace Baptist history back past the 17th century, is an effort of some who falsely believe that if they can prove that somehow Baptist beliefs have been around since the beginning of the Church, then that makes these beliefs more valid or credible. This is completely false. There is nothing wrong with having a history which originates in the 17th century, it is not any less valid than a denomination which dates to the 16th or 5th century. Baptist beliefs are based on Scripture, thats all you need.

If everyone split from Rome in the 17th century, then Rome must be right.

It's more than just baptism.

From a link someone shared:

A Catholic, Cardinal Hosius, President of the Council of Trent (1545-1563), wrote during the early years of the Reformation period, Were it not that the Baptists have been grievously tormented and cut off with the knife during the past twelve hundred years, they would swarm in greater numbers than all the reformers. This should convince anyone that the Baptists are not a by-product of the Reformation, and are not even Protestants in the popular sense of the term.

BT · Jul 13, 2004

Street Preacher said:
Baptists are not protestant and do not have roots in the catholic church, that is a lie.

http://www.pbministries.org/History/baptist_history.htm

Amen and AMEN.

Palatka44 · Jul 13, 2004

Fox's Book of Martyrs has story after story how many people were cut off for not joining the Roman church as well as being excommunicated when Rome felt they were teaching heresy. Many of those that did not join in with Rome nor ever had association with Roman doctrine and traditions. They simply followed the Gospel of Christ unto repentence and baptized the believer upon their confession of faith unto repentence. Many of these groups may not have been called nor called themselves Baptist but still their rejection of Roman unity did prevail until we now have a group that shouts proudly I AM A BAPTIST. Because for having to move from place to place to have peace to worship it would be a hard trail to follow to prove once and for all that this is our lineage as Baptists for us today. However in my heart I believe this to be true, we (Baptist) never had any association with any church that came out of Roman Catholicism.

JM · Jul 13, 2004

Many of the groups often listed by catholics as teaching 'heresy' were lumped together with other groups in the same area. If one group denied the Holy Trinity but also believed in sola scriptura they were condemned along with the group that believed in the Trinity and in sola scriptura. (A History of the Christian Church by Williston Walker)

@@Paul@@ · Jul 13, 2004

If anyone likes online sermons as much as I do...

Here are 4 sermons,,, about 45min. long.
History of the Baptist Church

GreenEyedLady · Jul 23, 2004

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