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ShyBoy said:Or are they historical sucessors of John the Baptist?
ShyBoy
Look up "The Trail of Blood . . ." in your search engine.stray bullet said:I've heard that 'theory' too, I would honestly love to see the supposed lineage I've heard people claim exists.
Crystal71503 said:i saw that most of us (baptists) dont like to be referred to as Protestants, nor do we think of ourselves that way. but thats just my opinion.
TwinCrier said:Look up "The Trail of Blood . . ." in your search engine.
Okay in your opinion. Let me set the record straight in my opinion. In order to be protestant you would have to be given the choice of one or the other. Catholic or not. When I came to God on my knees begging for forgiveness I was not making a choice between Catholic and Baptist. When I went to a Baptist church for the first time I was not making a choice between Catholic and Baptist. When I joined the church, no where in my classes did it say I had to choose between the Catholics and the baptists.stray bullet said:Well, unless one can prove their church/denomination did not come from breaking off with the Catholic Church or from another church/denomination that came from it, you are pretty much protestant IMO. I see it this way because Christians did not just spring up out of no where. They are either the descendents or converts of other Christians.... we are all the products of Jesus converting someone, converting someone else and so on.
Whoever is claiming this is an idiot. Of course we are from the Catholic church. To say otherwise is garbage. What Baptists are claiming, or should claim is that they as well as many of their bretheren from other denominations(I know, I know, the Catholics do not consider themselves a denomination), are in fact members of the catholic (Universal) church.That is why I am interested in the claims that the Baptists are not from the Catholic Church, but are either 'the true Church' referred in Matthew 16:18 or are from an earlier church not associated with the Catholics nor the lineage from Peter onwards.
Lollard said:Okay in your opinion. Let me set the record straight in my opinion. In order to be protestant you would have to be given the choice of one or the other. Catholic or not. When I came to God on my knees begging for forgiveness I was not making a choice between Catholic and Baptist. When I went to a Baptist church for the first time I was not making a choice between Catholic and Baptist. When I joined the church, no where in my classes did it say I had to choose between the Catholics and the baptists.
As a convert does that mean I was grafted onto you?Knight said:Funny, I thought most Baptists were hatched....
Just kidding, guys....
Yeah I kinda knew what you meant, but it is just a matter that sticks in my craw. I love the Catholic people, and I believe more of them then not will be next to me (good Lord willing) in heaven. I don't protest them at all. In fact it if wasn't for all the grief that many Catholic people went through, we might not have the Bible.stray bullet said:Didn't mean to make it sound that way. What I mean is, if a protestant converted 1000 Christians, left and they made their own church, that church would be protestant, as it traces itself back through the protestant who came from splitting off the Catholic Church. I am simply looking at this from a historical and technical standpoint, not who is right or wrong. Since I am not a Baptist, I can not debate the matter here, only give my opinion for the reason of wanting to know more about the claim the Baptists are non-protestant. I'm basically just defining the group for the purpose of asking my question (are they not of that group?) was all
I'm with ya on that one dude...Lollard said:Well I may protest that Michael Moore guy...
Lollard said:Yeah I kinda knew what you meant, but it is just a matter that sticks in my craw. I love the Catholic people, and I believe more of them then not will be next to me (good Lord willing) in heaven.
GreenEyedLady said:http://www.homestead.com/cbclibrary/files/TRAILOFBLOOD/TrailofBlood2.htm
Here is a chart I found.
I think it is pretty intresting.
Although I have not read the book, Trail of Blood, I have a hard time believing that there was NO independent churches before the reformation. Rome was powerful, but not THAT powerful.
GEL
seebs said:Er, maybe we could have this be a little less about Catholics vs. Baptists, and a bit more on the recent history of Baptists, and why they are or aren't considered Protestant?
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