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Probably after his house fell…
Because if God can make the universe then he can make bones in it to appear like they are billions of years old. Hope this helps
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It is not to give us doubt but to test our faith. God has made our earthly lives in a way to test our faith and see if we stay strong. The reward being heaven for those who succeed.
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Look Radrook, lets get one thing straight right now. First of all, when you reply to one of my posts, I exptect it to address what I posted. I specifically stated that I do not care about evolution in this discussion. I asked a specific question yesterday concerning the age of the dinosaur claim you presented yesterday, of which you have presented no discussion. The post you are quoting from now, asks where is the original research and data to support creation science claims. All I ever see is opinions along with irrelevant Gish Gallops. If you think the creation science claims are legitimate, then show meat to back it.
Understand"
Just wondering if you are a proponent of a young earth.I was answering the question which was asked.
Do you have a question or just statements?
Then perhaps you need to participate in my "creation science challenge" thread, where I ask for links to creation science papers which contain "original" data and research.
So you still can't address my question. I'll be happy to address yours one you address mine. I have to go out for an hour or so now, so that should give you ample time to locate a creation science paper you believe contains original research and data to support your position.Thanks for the clarification.
Since you are Presbyterian and say that you do not side with those who claim that the Creator employed Evolution as his modus operandi, who exactly is it that you are demanding evidence from or about-the Creationists? Isn't a Presbyterian supposed to believe that God created the universe and all life? Just trying to understand exactly where you are coming from since your statements seem a bit self-contradictory.
Just wondering if you are a proponent of a young earth.
So you still can't address my question. I'll be happy to address yours one you address mine. I have to go out for an hour or so now, so that should give you ample time to locate a creation science paper you believe contains original research and data to support your position.
Again, original data and research to support the claim. Thank you.
Creation Scientists with Outstanding Achievements
A favorite ploy of evolutionists is to portray all Creation Scientists as pseudo-scientists. In fact, some of the leading scientists in their fields are creation scientists. This page contains a small sampling of scientists who are recognized by their secular peers and others as being among the very best in their fields, or who have outstanding academic achievements. As time permits, more names will be added. Remember these scientists the next time an evolutionist tries to claim that no serious scientists are young earth creationists!
Dr Raymond V. Damadian - Inventor of the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging)
Dr Raymond V. Damadian would probably be too humble to accept the title 'super-scientist' but the many people whose lives have been saved by the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scanning technology he developed might think otherwise. Hailed as one of the greatest diagnostic breakthroughs ever, this technique, using advanced principles of physics and computing, lets doctors visualize many organs and their diseased parts without the risks of exploratory surgery or the radiation associated with traditional scanning methods. See http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/v16n3_MRI.asp.
Dr. John R. Baumgardner (Geophysicist)
U.S. News & World Report (June 16, 1997) devoted a respectful four-page article to the work of Dr John Baumgardner, calling him "the world's pre-eminent expert in the design of computer models for geophysical convection." Dr. Baumgardner earned degrees from Texas Tech University (B.S., electrical engineering), and Princeton University (M.S., electrical engineering), and earned a Ph.D. in geophysics and space physics from UCLA. Since 1984 he has been employed as a technical staff member at Los Alamos (New Mexico) National Laboratory. Also see Scientists Who Believe: An Interview with Dr. John Baumgardner, and Probing the Earth's Deep Places.
Dr Ian Macreadie (Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist)
Author of more than 60 research papers, he is a Principal Research Scientist at the Biomolecular Research Institute of Australia’s Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO), and national secretary of the Australian Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. In 1997 he was part of a team which won the CSIRO’s top prize, the Chairman’s Medal. In 1995 he won the Australian Society for Microbiology’s top award, for outstanding contributions to research. See Interview with Dr Ian Macreadie.
Dr. Raymond Jones (Agricultural Scientist)
This, combined with Dr Jones' other achievements in improving the productivity of the tropical grazing industries, caused CSIRO chief Dr Elizabeth Heij to describe him as ‘one of the top few CSIRO scientists in Australia’. Among the awards he has received are the CSIRO Gold Medal for Research Excellence, and the Urrbrae Award, the latter in recognition of the practical significance of his work for the grazing industry. See Interview with Dr. Raymond Jones.
Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith (3 Doctorates and a 3-star NATO General)
The late Dr. Arthur E.Wilder-Smith, an honored scientist with an amazing three earned doctorates. He held many distinguished positions. A former Evolutionist, Dr. Wilder-Smith debated various leading scientists on the subject throughout the world. In his opinion, the Evolution model did not fit as well with the established facts of science as did the Creation model of intelligent design. His background is referenced in footnote #4 at Do real scientists believe in Creation? - ChristianAnswers.Net.
Dr. Robert Gentry (nuclear physicist)
Dr. Robert V. Gentry is a nuclear physicist who worked 13 years for the Oakridge National Laboratory as a guest scientist. During the time he worked there, he was recognized as the world's leading authority in his area of research. It is interesting to note that when he began his research, he was an evolutionist. Today, Dr. Gentry is a fully convinced young earth creation scientist.
http://creationists.org/outstanding-creation-scientists.html
I don't feel comfortable engaging in a discussion with someone who is unwilling to clarify what exactly his religious position is in reference to the creator. So if indeed any type of discussion is to progress then I need to know who exactly I am dealing with in order to respond adequately. If indeed you believe in a Creator, as your Presbyterian claim would imply, then why the vehement challenge to Creationists?
If indeed you are not a Christian of any kind, then why the charade? Why not identify yourself for what you are? That way your comments would not appear to be extremely incongruous or out of place in relation to that claim.
God is indeed the Creator, but he is not a liar.
The evidence we find in creation tells us how he created the world, and how long it took him to do it. This does not make him a smaller God, but a far bigger one than the Creationist version. And it means he and his creation are consistent in Truth.
I do hope that helps.
What makes you think that?We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential. If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.
Bones don't last for millions of years, for starters.If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?
Well, since I never claimed the opposite I really don't see how I am helped.
But thanks for the effort and thought anyway.
God Bless
The point being, that isn't going to happen to most bones.
The Process of Fossilization
FOSSIL
Most organisms do not become fossils; if they did, a square foot of sea floor could, over all of geologic history, produce more fossils than are currently known. The fact that fossilization is rare is not bad; scavengers and decomposers have an important role in food chains and return nutrients to the soil. There are 1.5 million species identified today and perhaps even a greater number yet to be identified. Of the millions of fossils that have been found, there are more than 250,000 identified fossil species.
Even in species with hard parts, which are more likely to be preserved, it is estimated that 85-97% of these most fossilizable species have never been fossilized. This is not necessarily as bad as it sounds: how many specimens of the hundreds of thousands of beetle species or tens of thousands of fish species are necessary to show that these animals existed and to give some notion as to the types of animals they are?
http://www.bio.sunyorange.edu/updated2/pl%20new/3%20FOSSILS.htm
Actually you are asking something that the CF actually forbids in the discussion and debate forums. Nevertheless, I am a member of the Presbyterian Church (USA) and have been since my childhood days, now 68 years of age. Not only am I am a member but an active member attending church twice or more a week. I am also very active in the music ministry of our church. In addition, I also accept the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) 1969 statement concerning evolution and science.I don't feel comfortable engaging in a discussion with someone who is unwilling to clarify what exactly his religious position is in reference to the creator. So if indeed any type of discussion is to progress then I need to know who exactly I am dealing with in order to respond adequately. If indeed you believe in a Creator, as your Presbyterian claim would imply, then why the vehement challenge to Creationists?
I am no charade, and again, you are walking on Christian Forums (CF) forbidden territory questioning ones Christianity. Perhaps you should review the CFs debate and discussion rules. But to provide additional information concerning my background and whether or not I am qualified to discuss and debate in the science forums of the CF, I have a B.S. E.(Jacksonville St. Univ. 1972), (M.Ed. Univ. of Memphis, 1975), and an M.S. (Univ. of Memphis 1977). The later degree is in Physical Earth Science concentrated in 1/3 Geology, 1/3 Oceanography, and 1/3 Climatology. My concentration and thesis was in Paleoclimatology. I also have nearly 30 years experience as an R & D Chemist and Process Engineer.If indeed you are not a Christian of any kind, then why the charade? Why not identify yourself for what you are? That way your comments would not appear to be extremely incongruous or out of place in relation to that claim.
I am saying that the creation science literature contains no original research or data, especially those dealing with the dinosaur claim you have presented.BTW
Your assumption that being al creation scientist means being par is flawed:
Actually you are asking something that the CF actually forbids in the discussion and debate forums. Nevertheless, I am a member of the Presbyterian Church (USA) and have been since my childhood days, now 68 years of age. Not only am I am a member but an active member attending church twice or more a week. I am also very active in the music ministry of our church. In addition, I also accept the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA) 1969 statement concerning evolution and science.
I am no charade, and again, you are walking on Christian Forums (CF) forbidden territory questioning ones Christianity. Perhaps you should review the CFs debate and discussion rules. But to provide additional information concerning my background and whether or not I am qualified to discuss and debate in the science forums of the CF, I have a B.S. E.(Jacksonville St. Univ. 1972), (M.Ed. Univ. of Memphis, 1975), and an M.S. (Univ. of Memphis 1977). The later degree is in Physical Earth Science concentrated in 1/3 Geology, 1/3 Oceanography, and 1/3 Climatology. My concentration and thesis was in Paleoclimatology. I also have nearly 30 years experience as an R & D Chemist and Process Engineer.
I am saying that the creation science literature contains no original research or data, especially those dealing with the dinosaur claim you have presented.
I was just naturally confounded by a professed Christian who seems to feel it his duty to vehemently challenge creationists. To me that seemed and still seems totally incompatible with being a Christian and so I asked for a clarification.
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