Where and how did food and water come from

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

and how did the food and water know that animals and humans would have mouths teeth, tongues, throats, stomachs, digestive tracts, penis's, and butts to take in and remove the waste.

how does evolution do this all without a God involved?

Chi_Cygni · Dec 8, 2003

Is this a joke thread?

Why are you implying food and water are somehow sentient?

I can't believe I am about to ask you another question BUT

Why does food and water need to know ahead of time the structure of animals?

Will someone shoot me?

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

I am going to assume that this is a joke thread. There really is no other explanation that I can bear to entertain.

But I'll answer it anyway.

Food and water did not evolve. (well, food did, but not as food, it evolved to try and avoid becoming food.) The mouth, stomach, etc evolved to fit the food and water.

Orihalcon · Dec 8, 2003

it's also amazing how my body evolved so well to be perfectly comfortable lying on a bed... i bet evolution didn't see that one coming!

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

Chi_Cygni said:
Is this a joke thread?

Why are you implying food and water are somehow sentient?

I can't believe I am about to ask you another question BUT

Why does food and water need to know ahead of time the structure of animals?

Will someone shoot me?

i never said they had a conscious, but they do have nutrients that are vital for the body and mind to survive. the food must of been programmed and designed to work how it does with the body and mind and the body must of been designed to be able to consume water/food. Where did the food and water come from? Food and the body work hand in hand.

how would the body be able to consume food if some of the organs didn't evolve right away? i think all the organs would have to be in place at once for everything to work without error. I'm dumb please help a dummy out.

Arikay · Dec 8, 2003

Your working in the wrong direction. Food did not form the way it is because people can digest it, Our digestive system formed the way it is so that we can can digest certain foods.

We can see that with the nylon eating bacteria. We didn't make nylon (a man made material) so that bacteria could eat it, bacteria outside a nylon plant, evolved enzymes that could break down nylon, and since nylon was around, the enzymes didn't go to waste, but gave the bacteria an advantage over other bacteria, because it now has a huge food source that no other bacteria can eat.

Orihalcon · Dec 8, 2003

food is not computer code. it's a large collection of molecules.

it all started with little bits of bacteria i guess. bacteria needed more bits of things like their own bodies to survive. guess what? other bacteria had bits that were like theirs that they could use. and so, the whole predator/prey things started.

or maybe it started with the paramecium, whatever.

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
i never said they had a conscious, but they do have nutrients that are vital for the body and mind to survive. the food must of been programmed and designed to work

The water does not change to fit the body, the body changes to fit the water supply. Food is edible because it is made of the same stuff we are, and so gives us what we need.

how it does with the body and mind and the body must of been designed to be able to consume water/food. Where did the food and water come from? Food and the body work hand in hand.

They work well together because the body adapts to fit the food supply.

how would the body be able to consume food if some of the organs didn't evolve right away? i think all the organs would have to be in place at once for everything to work without error.

You don't need a full digestive system to consume food. When life is merely a single cell you need no system at all. As you grow bigger and more complexthe digestive system grows larger and more complex in turn to supply the needs of the body.

I'm dumb please help a dummy out.

That's too easy, I'm not touching that one.

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

Orihalcon said:
food is not computer code. it's a large collection of molecules.

it all started with little bits of bacteria i guess. bacteria needed more bits of things like their own bodies to survive. guess what? other bacteria had bits that were like theirs that they could use. and so, the whole predator/prey things started.

or maybe it started with the paramecium, whatever.

I thought bacteria can only produce bacteria.

How did the nutrients in food come along to work with the body? seems like a design feature to me.

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
How did the nutrients in food come along to work with the body? seems like a design feature to me.

Lets try this again.

The nutrients did not change to fit the body. The body changes to fit the nutrients in food.

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

PhantomLlama said:
The water does not change to fit the body, the body changes to fit the water supply. Food is edible because it is made of the same stuff we are, and so gives us what we need.

They work well together because the body adapts to fit the food supply.

You don't need a full digestive system to consume food. When life is merely a single cell you need no system at all. As you grow bigger and more complexthe digestive system grows larger and more complex in turn to supply the needs of the body.

That's too easy, I'm not touching that one.

How was water formed? and how did the body survive without a fully devoloped body to consume and water? parts of a puzzle doesnt mean that something is fully functional, you need everything in place fully established for something to work.

how does the body know to fit a food supply when i think in the evolution view that all the parts of the human didn't evolve at once? one cant work without the other right? What human organs evolved first?

lucaspa · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
i never said they had a conscious, but they do have nutrients that are vital for the body and mind to survive. the food must of been programmed and designed to work how it does with the body and mind and the body must of been designed to be able to consume water/food. Where did the food and water come from?

Water forms from the burning of hydrogen. Hydrogen and oxygen make water. Water has certain chemical properties that let it interact with other chemicals in some very useful ways.

Now, "food" small molecules that are used to make the larger molecules in the body. They include sugars, amino acids, nucleosides (the bases in DNA/RNA). They are made from still simpler chemicals by simple chemical reactions. The experiments of Urey-Miller showed that some of these chemicals -- amino acids -- could be made by lightning in an atmosphere containing nitrogen and carbon dioxide. Other experiments have made these basic "food" molecules by other reactions that would have occurred on the primitive earth. Still other experiments have shown that they take place on comets and that comets have sugars, amino acids, and nucleosides.

Food and the body work hand in hand.

how would the body be able to consume food if some of the organs didn't evolve right away?

When amino acids are heated in the absence of water (like in an evaporating tidal pool in the sun) or even in the presence of water (like at underwater volcanic vents) they form proteins. The proteins spontaneously form cells in the presence of water. These cells -- called protocells -- can take up amino acids, sugars, and nucleosides thru their cell membrane. The proteins inside the protocell then use the food to make energy, new proteins, and even RNA or DNA. No organs.

Remember, bacteria don't have any organs. Yet they take up food and use it.

Does that help?

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

Lucaspa it seems that everything is directed and programmed to work how it does.

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
How was water formed?

Through the reaction of hydrogen and oxygen.

and how did the body survive without a fully devoloped body to consume and water?

Speak to Lucaspa about protocells. It's very interesting.

parts of a puzzle doesnt mean that something is fully functional, you need everything in place fully established for something to work.

Wrong, you do not need all of our digestive system to be able to derive nutrition from your environment.

how does the body know to fit a food supply when i think in the evolution view that all the parts of the human didn't evolve at once? one cant work without the other right? What human organs evolved first?

The human digestive system is not irreducibly(sp?) complex. (needs all its parts to work) It most likely started out as a simple tube from mouth to anus.

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
Lucaspa it seems that everything is directed and programmed to work how it does.

It is. By its DNA. Evolution did the programming.

Orihalcon · Dec 8, 2003

yes, they work according to the laws of physics and chemistry and such.

curquest · Dec 8, 2003

what programmed evolution

Orihalcon · Dec 8, 2003

in any case, i suggest reading up on the basics of bacteria, they live very simply. bump into food, eat it. soak up water from the environment. have enough food, will reproduce.
and the basics of evolution. bacterium A develops an ability to eat stuff. bacterium B can't eat. B starves to death while A eats B. A survives and produces children that can also eat stuff.

Orihalcon · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
what programmed evolution

nothing did

i think the main problem is that you're looking at everything as if it required some design. get that idea out of your head for now, and take a look at how things actually work by reading up on biology, then start making some conclusions.

PhantomLlama · Dec 8, 2003

curquest said:
what programmed evolution

It is a logical necessity of a universe that contains natural selection and descent with modification.

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