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Byfaithalone1 said:

In fact, He indicated that the letters engraved on stones are the letters that bring death. For that reason, we are no longer under a tutor.

BFA

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If you read the whole thing you will find that the Law was suppose to bring life but because of sin they brought death. When Jesus takes our sin away we will once again delight in the Law.

zeker33:9 said:

Your words not mine.

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Yep my words based on what you expressed about yourself.

Here was my earlier comment "I know the Absolute Truth. His name is Jesus Christ not Ellen White." Why are you, RND, elevating her up to that?

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Elevating? Are you suggesting I put EGW up there with Jesus Christ? All I did was ask you if you have any references where she pointed to herself like Joseph Smith did? Obviously you don't.

k4c said:

If you read the whole thing you will find that the Law was suppose to bring life but because of sin they brought death. When Jesus takes our sin away we will once again delight in the Law.

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Here's how I understand it. 2 Corinthians 3 seems to contrast the ministry that brings death with the ministry that brings life. The ministry that brings life is the Spirit and the ministry that brings death is the letters engraved on stones.

BFA

zeker33:9 said:

With your first comment in mind, what part of "Why are you, RND, elevating her up to that?" do you not understand? You simply tried to change the parameters with the question you asked. Thereby elevating her up ever since. But hey, according to you guys we have no light in us, so what do I know, right?

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I never once suggested EGW was above Christ Jesus.

You made the comment in this thread http://www.christianforums.com/t7524918-2/#post56475529 that: I know the Absolute Truth. His name is Jesus Christ not Ellen White.

I stated clearly in response that "she pointed to Him all the time too!"

I then asked a question that you still haven't answered, "Tell me something do you have any references where she pointed to herself like Joseph Smith did?"

You have provided none. Worse yet you call asking for proof changing the parameters.Duh! If you can't provide proof then your statement is false and what we've all witnessed is a man that makes statements that he can't defend. Nice! Good job our your part brother!

You've chosen to derail your own thread over this issue. I even tired to get it back on track for you! The bottom line is I've never "elevated" not here in this thread, nor anywhere, EGW above Jesus Christ. That's absurd and in need of an of a reality check on your part. Look, you have no proof that she ever said anything close to what Joseph Smith said in Doctrines & Covenants and I believe even the most ardent EGW bashers would agree with that.Now, let's get back to you claim of knowledge of Absolute Truth!

k4c said:

If you read the whole thing you will find that the Law was suppose to bring life but because of sin they brought death. When Jesus takes our sin away we will once again delight in the Law.

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If this is true, then Paul is wrong when he confirmed that the letters engraved on stones bring death. I can't find anything in 2 Corinthians 3 that would cause me to believe that the letters engraved on stones bring us anything other than death.

BFA

RND said:

I then asked a question that you still haven't answered, "Tell me something do you have any references where she pointed to herself like Joseph Smith did?"

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"If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies he has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan and Abirum" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66).

"These books contain clear, straight, unalterable truth and they should certainly be appreciated." (Letter H-339, Dec. 26, 1904)

"These books, giving the instruction that the Lord has given me during the last sixty years, contain light from heaven, and will bear the test of investigation." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 35, 1906)

"How many have read carefully Patriarchs and Prophets, The Great Controversy, and The Desire of Ages? I wish all to understand that my confidence in the light that God has given stands firm, because I know that the Holy Spirit's power magnified the truth, and made it honorable, saying: 'This is the way, walk ye in it.' In my books, the truth is stated, barricaded by a 'Thus saith the Lord.' The Holy Spirit traced these truths upon my heart and mind as indelibly as the law was traced by the finger of God, upon the tables of stone." (Letter 90, 1906)

"I am thankful that the instruction contained in my books establishes present truth for this time." (Letter 50, 1906)

"I testify the things which I have seen, the things which I have heard, the things which my hands have handled of the Word of life. And this testimony I know to be of the Father and the Son. We have seen and do testify that the power of the Holy Ghost has accompanied the presentation of the truth, warning with pen and voice, and giving the messages in their order. To deny this work would be to deny the Holy Ghost, and would place us in that company who have departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits." (Selected Messages vol. 2, p. 388)

"I saw the state of some who stood on present truth, but disregarded the visions--the way God had chosen to teach in some cases, those who erred from Bible truth. I saw that in striking against the visions they did not strike against the worm--the feeble instrument that God spake through--but against the Holy Ghost. (Special Testimony to the Battle Creek Church, p. 11)

"Early in my youth I was asked several times, Are you a prophet? I have ever responded, I am the Lord's messenger. I know that many have called me a prophet, but I have made no claim to this title. My Saviour declared me to be his messenger. 'Your work,' he instructed me, 'is to bear my word. ... It is not you that speaketh: it is the Lord that giveth the messages of warning and reproof. Never deviate from the truth under any circumstances . Give the light I shall give you. The messages for these last days shall be written in books, and shall stand immortalized, to testify against those who have once rejoiced in the light, but who have been led to give it up because of the seductive influences of evil.' Why have I not claimed to be a prophet?--Because in these days many who boldly claim that they are prophets are a reproach to the cause of Christ; and because my work includes much more than the word 'prophet' signifies." (Review and Herald, July 26, 1907)

"My commission embraces the work of a prophet, but it does not end there." (Selected Messages, vol. 1, p. 36, 1906)

"God has set me as a reprover of His people; and just so surely as He has laid upon me the heavy burden, He will make those to whom this message is given responsible for the manner in which they treat it. God will not be trifled with, and those who despise His work will receive according to their deeds." (Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 679)

BFA

BFA you need to bone up on Joseph Smith. None of the quotes you left show that EGW pointed to herself and not to Christ. Joseph Smith did just the exact opposite to the point that he exalted himself and his doctrine above that of Christ.

EGW never exalted herself above Christ. Joseph Smith said God was a man just like you and me.

RND said:

BFA you need to bone up on Joseph Smith. None of the quotes you left show that EGW pointed to herself and not to Christ. Joseph Smith did just the exact opposite to the point that he exalted himself and his doctrine above that of Christ.

EGW never exalted herself above Christ. Joseph Smith said God was a man just like you and me.

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I have to agree as all the quotes you provided, she gave the glory to God, not herself. Yes, she said she was the instrument but not the composer.

None of the quotes you left show that EGW pointed to herself.

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The quotes are there for posters in this thread to read and digest as they have time. As they do, posters can decide for themselves whether Mrs. White pointed to herself.

EGW never exalted herself above Christ. Joseph Smith said God was a man just like you and me.

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I agree that Mrs. White's claims and Joseph Smith's claims were different. However, your question was whether Mrs. White ever pointed to herself. In answer to that question, I shared her claims that:
Again, let the reader decide for himself/herself whether Ellen G. White pointed to herself.

RND said:

BFA you need to bone up on Joseph Smith.

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No thanks. I have no interest.

BFA