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Yes, it can. But I know many of you do not care."Marriage" is not a "biblical term". It is not exclusive to nor derived from the bible. Marriage long pre-dates the bible. Calling a union of two people a "marriage" is not an infringement of your religious rights.
Yes, it can. But I know many of you do not care.
I already did. It's scriptural between male and female to set apart their offspring in relation to each other. Males are not husbands to each other, females are not wives to each other. Same sex legal partnership Takes nothing from you, your not victims at all, in civil legal benefit.I mostly don't believe that it could, which is a sort of not caring if you like. But you still haven't given a legal reason the existence of SSM violates your right to practice religion.
Your scriptures are legally irrelevant.I already did. It's scriptural between male and female to set apart their offspring in relation to each other.\
So says your interpretation of your scriptures.Males are not husbands to each other, females are not wives to each other.
It does take nothing from anyone to use the same terms for such a partnership of two adults regardless of their sex or gender (as the Supreme Court has ruled), so if a civil authority is issuing marriage licenses, then it can not likewise differentiate between couples based on the composition of their pair. Based on the "full faith and credit", no state or subdivision thereof, can differentiate otherwise on marriages or partnerships granted by another state.Same sex legal partnership Takes nothing from you, your not victims at all, in civil legal benefit.
Exactly, you could care less. When it comes to religious freedom and not infringing on that it should matter. But you all say, your religion is irrelivant.Your scriptures are legally irrelevant.
Exactly, only your views are legally relevant.So says your interpretation of your scriptures.
It does take nothing from anyone to use the same terms for such a partnership of two adults regardless of their sex or gender (as the Supreme Court has ruled), so if a civil authority is issuing marriage licenses, then it can not likewise differentiate between couples based on the composition of their pair. Based on the "full faith and credit", no state or subdivision thereof, can differentiate otherwise on marriages or partnerships granted by another state.
I said your scriptures are irrelevant. Specifically to the laws of the United States.Exactly, you could care less. When it comes to religious freedom and not infringing on that it should matter. But you all say, your religion is irrelivant.
Your religion does not get to define marriage under the law. It's just that simple. And it doesn't impinge in your right to worship.Exactly, only your views are legally relevant.
I already acknowledged all this.
I know. We have already established who is calling the shots. Including what worship is too.I said your scriptures are irrelevant. Specifically to the laws of the United States.
Your religion does not get to define marriage under the law. It's just that simple. And it doesn't impinge in your right to worship.
I know. We have already established who is calling the shots. Including what worship is too.
Religious freedom gives you the right to believe as you choose, and to live in accordance with that belief. It doesn't give you the right to control how others believe and live.When it comes to religious freedom and not infringing on that it should matter. But you all say, your religion is irrelivant.
Many Christians see worship as a much broader category than participation in defined ceremonies, but as living a life in accordance with their faith convictions. (So, for example, I can say that my church running a food bank is part of its worship). In this case, for @ralliann, if I have understood her correctly, not articulating a blasphemous understanding of marriage (in her view) is also part of her worship.This statement makes no sense. Who has told you what worship is?
Many Christians see worship as a much broader category than participation in defined ceremonies, but as living a life in accordance with their faith convictions. (So, for example, I can say that my church running a food bank is part of its worship). In this case, for @ralliann, if I have understood her correctly, not articulating a blasphemous understanding of marriage (in her view) is also part of her worship.
And you know what, as far as that goes, fair enough. But I still think there's a distinction to be made between "I don't recognise this as a valid marriage," and, "I think the terminology of the law should reflect my view."
I think it's not a one-size-fits-all phenomenon. There are situations where an employer can make reasonable accommodations. But if you're, say, working in a family law capacity or the like, and you don't want to deal with the legalities of marriage, I don't see how that can work very well.If she's taken work as an agent of the state and can't act according to the law, that's a problem, and not a "religious discrimination" one.
You seem to know what mine is, or you think is sufficient. you gonna define that fir me as well.
You have the human right to religious observation and practice. What more do you want - a say in other people's rights?I know. We have already established who is calling the shots. Including what worship is too.
Same sex marriage is not equal according to scripture. To force those of us who know this from scripture to acknowledge it as the same violates my free exercise. That is the point. And obviously you all are deciding concerning what is or is not valid concerning these things.You have the human right to religious observation and practice. What more do you want - a say in other people's rights?
You seem to be arguing for less than equality for a section of society. Marriage is too good for some?
I do my best to respect people's religious beliefs, including yours. I have none myself, of course, so am not bound by interpretations of the Bible. You must have noticed that repetition of the 'Scriptural basis' of your position has made little impression here.And obviously you all are deciding concerning what is or is not valid concerning these things.
I do my best to respect people's religious beliefs, including yours. I have none myself, of course, so am not bound by interpretations of the Bible. You must have noticed that repetition of the 'Scriptural basis' of your position has made little impression here.
Can you respect my opinion that marriage between people of the same sex is valid? Maybe you can say how it is that the 'free exercise' of your religious freedom is curtailed; perhaps by explaining what specifically you cannot do because of the law on same sex marriage.
I don't know of anything the law binds you to do about other people's relationships, married or any other kind. Your religious freedom is really not under any kind of attack. As I have reminded you, religious freedom is a human right.What I am addressing is my religious freedom to not be legally bound, or expect punishment of law in any form whatsoever to dissent on my religious conviction on what/how I address it that's all. What you are asking me to do is show "respect" (honor) homosexual relations, in action and deed with regards to you..I am asking of you what you ask from me, to respect that I cannot do that. It was a constitutional right, but all that is threatened now, in this culture.
Making it legal to fire me from a job, if I address you as a partner, to another. Your relationship as a union, instead of marriage Etc.I don't know of anything the law binds you to do about other people's relationships, married or any other kind. Your religious freedom is really not under any kind of attack. As I have reminded you, religious freedom is a human right.
Please make clear what constitutional right you believe is threatened by same-sex marriages.
(I have not said anything about my marital status anywhere here, but you will see from my profile that I am married. To a woman, as it happens. I have no axe to grind.)
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