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It seems to me your source is just about interpretation. If written by a Roman Catholic, the conclusion would be different than when written by some gender studies graduate. Solution to any problem is always ideological in some way or inside some cultural framework, because thats how people will think.There are 31 references listed, on topics ranging from "Cross-cultural differences in physical aggression between partners: A social-role analysis" to "Gender inequality, violence against women and fear: A cross-national test of the feminist theory of violence against women."
There's plenty there for you to explore.
Other than that women have basic rights, opportunities, and protections from injustice and exploitation now that we didn't have before? (I take it that basic rights, opportunities and protections from injustice and exploitation are self-evidently good things).So I will ask another way: Do you have a specific reference that you suppose is proving your point that the world is better without patriarchy?
Any system is taught, and policed, whether by government or less formally. Patriarchal systems as much as any other.And as a side note - would such system be natural for people or would it need to be "taught from the top down" and policed extensively by government?
All people have basic rights, opportunities and protections that we did not have before. It has nothing to do with patriarchy, but with social democracy, technology and economy.Other than that women have basic rights, opportunities, and protections from injustice and exploitation now that we didn't have before? (I take it that basic rights, opportunities and protections from injustice and exploitation are self-evidently good things).
To say that both natural and unnatural systems need the same level of policing is obviously wrong. If, for example, you want the same percentage of women working in technical fields like in social fields, you will have to force them.Any system is taught, and policed, whether by government or less formally. Patriarchal systems as much as any other.
No, women specifically were excluded from full participation in democracy, and in the economy. It was in my lifetime that a woman couldn't get a loan without a male guarantor, no matter her own income, for example. That's patriarchy.All people have basic rights, opportunities and protections that we did not have before. It has nothing to do with patriarchy, but with social democracy and economy.
I'm saying that there's no such thing as "natural" social structures. They're all cultural products.To say that both natural and unnatural systems need the same level of policing is obviously wrong.
I do not understand this Australian context, but I would be surprised if it had nothing to do with money (i.e. economical status), instead of biological sex.It was in my lifetime that a woman couldn't get a loan without a male guarantor, no matter her own income, for example. That's patriarchy.
You can say whatever you want. But its not true.I'm saying that there's no such thing as "natural" social structures. They're all cultural products.
Then you would be surprised.I do not understand this Australian context, but I would be surprised if it had nothing to do with money (i.e. economical status), instead of biological sex.
Citation needed.You can say whatever you want. But its not true.
Then its not what I mean by patriarchy. By patriarchy I do not mean that a woman cannot get a bank loan.Then you would be surprised.
Not more than yours.Citation needed.
Lol.Then its not what I mean by patriarchy.
I gave you some. You've given me nothing so far.Not more than yours.
One in which people aren't systematically denied rights and opportunities based on their gender (or any other attribute, either).But back to my question - what system (or no system?) is generally better than patriarchy?
Cool.Lol.
For example a simple logic - why would independent cultures all over the world create similar gender roles and structures, if it was not based in our natural abilities and gifts.I gave you some. You've given me nothing so far.
Specifically which one?One in which people aren't systematically denied rights and opportunities based on their gender (or any other attribute, either).
An egalitarian one.Specifically which one?
I accept the Bible, and I don't see anything there that says "patriarchy is natural." Quite to the contrary.And I suppose that you do not accept the Bible, though you are in a religious suit, on your photo.
Very promiscuous and a very high intake of antidepressants. Not many people want to move to Iceland to live their dream.Iceland usually tops the lists.
You do not think that the God's order is natural? What do you mean by natural, then... based purely on animal instincts?I accept the Bible, and I don't see anything there that says "patriarchy is natural." Quite to the contrary.
I would say, that we're shifting our social categories from being based solely on biological reality to being more flexible.
Even when those things are taken into account, there's a wage gap, the "adjusted" wage gap.
But even then, it doesn't take into account things like underemployment of women (where women have access to fewer hours than men), and so on.
I imagine it's probably because there is relatively robust data on it, compared to other possible measures.
However, although somewhere like North Korea is ruled by the men of one family, the rate at which men kill women across the country is probably not a bad proxy for other forms of male domination of women in a society at large.
There's an oft-cited statistic that in Australia, a woman is killed by her male partner or former partner every nine days. (Another area where there's unfinished work for the feminist movement).
It's very cold in Iceland.Very promiscuous and a very high intake of antidepressants. Not many people want to move to Iceland to live their dream.
I think patriarchy is a result of the fall, and human sinfulness; not what God intended.You do not think that the God's order is natural? What do you mean by natural, then... based purely on animal instincts?
No, it's things like when you want to work full time but can only get part time work.Underemployment of women....is that when lots of women try to get a job but can't? Or one of those jobs where women don't apply?
The question is: who commits those murders? Overwhelmingly, men. Men kill men, and men kill women. Specifically, men kill women who are or have been their partners. That's a very particular issue to work on.If patriarchy isn't just about who is in charge, but who is privileged and who benefits and who is oppressed....then why wouldn't we call this a matriarchy?
Have you read the updated post? Iceland has many problems you expect to be better solved by egalitarianism than by traditional structures.It's very cold in Iceland.
That said, I didn't say Iceland had no problems. I said it usually tops the list for most egalitarian society. If you want to argue that the high rate of depression in Iceland is linked to being egalitarian, you have some evidence to find...
I will check it.
Where does the Bible say so?I think patriarchy is a result of the fall, and human sinfulness; not what God intended.
But what it doesn't have (to the same extent as other countries), is the problem of gender inequality.Have you read the updated post? Iceland has many problems you expect to be better solved by egalitarianism than by traditional structures.
When you read Genesis 3:16, God is telling Eve the consequences of the fall; suffering in childbearing, and so forth; and her husband ruling over her is part of that new, fallen, reality. At no point before that in the narrative is this the way of things.Where does the Bible say so?
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