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Considering that there are tons of problems with the Ark alone, from it not being seaworthy to having to load the animals every second for a week, to disposing of waste, and feeding them, what makes you think there was actually an ark? Maybe the Ark is metaphoric for divine protection.Then why was Noah aboard the Ark for over a year?
Maybe the Ark is metaphoric for divine protection.
But pop, there is no evidence left in the world pointing to a global flood. In fact all the evidence that is here on Earth directly contradicts the entire event.No, you don't need to restage a miracle. But when a global flood leaves worldwide deposits, consistent with the explicit revelation of a loving God, everything is fine because the evidence of the event is consistent with the description of the event.
Not my church leaders.
Not if you're trying to incorporate it into a mythical story to make it easier to pass down from generation to generation since back then, everything was done orally, done written.It would have been pretty senseless then, for Scripture to include the exact measurements and dimensions, as well as the materials it was to be built with.
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The event horizon is the point beyond which everything is mysterious and unknowable, except to the extent that we KNOW it excludes what the Bible says. He he he.
The measurements, dimensions and details would make it all the harder to pass on simply as some mythical story. But often in Scripture, elements of the same story can have a dual meaning, both literal and metaphorical.Not if you're trying to incorporate it into a mythical story to make it easier to pass down from generation to generation since back then, everything was done orally, done written.
But the measurements are an issue anyway, since nautical engineers today have said the construction of such an Ark would never stay afloat, or hold that many animals.
...what makes you think there was actually an ark?
Maybe the Ark is metaphoric for divine protection.
But pop, there is no evidence left in the world pointing to a global flood. In fact all the evidence that is here on Earth directly contradicts the entire event.
If your denomination sees itself in any way as part of the Church Universal, the Body of Christ, then the church leaders of the second century are just as much your church leaders as those of the 21st century.
Or are you one of those who believe the Church disappeared from earth between the days of the apostles and the appearance of your denomination?
I read it somewhere.
Then what happened to the Water Canopy?
What happened to the race of humans that cohabited with the angels?
Explain Jude 6.
What specific judgement ended the dispensation of Consciousness?
Where did the Ice Age come from?
Why did the dinosaurs eventually die out?
Who are Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and what's a 'Semite'?
A non-literal Ark doesn't jive with the Bible --- at all.
Did you know the Bible just randomly mentions the Ethiopian eunuch, Saul of Tarsus, and Cornelius of the Italian band getting saved for nothing?Believe me --- the Ark was real.
- Acts 8 = Ethiopian Eunuch = Ham
- Acts 9 = Saul of Tarsus = Shem
- Acts 10 = Cornelius = Japheth
1. There was no vapor canopy. Even Answers in Genesis doesn't hold to that particular idea.
First of all - (and I really don't want to get into this here) - Independent Baptists are not a denomination - they are a body of churches.
Second, I'm sure you meant Family of God, instead of Body of Christ, as Body of Christ deals with individual members.
Thirdly, what Joe did back in history does not reflect on what Tom does here. God is not going to hold us accountable for what Martin Luther, John Calvin, or anyone else did or didn't do, thought or didn't think.
Nope --- never heard that before.
I was surprised to find this thread in the creationism forum, that list numerous argument supporting YEC,
that were once widely used that need to be retracted in light of new evidence.
I figured YEC science could be summed up best by Kurt Wise: "no matter how much evidence proves evolution
and disproves creationism, I would still be a creationist." I wonder how many YECs would agree with perhaps
the most credible YE creationist around?
"Evidence? Who needs evidence?"
So why then, this continual pursuit, that continues to yield foul fruit, while evidence continues to be
gained that further supports evolution, and evidence continually mounts to place YEC, as perhaps one
of the most preposterous of pseudosciences?
So when is it that you abandon ship?
When is it that you abandon"evidence" and the pursuit of evidence, and admit that "evidence" is irrelevant?
Why waste you're time erecting museums, that leaves the other audience in laughter, and no one a step closer
to the light. Perhaps it's to profit? Or perhaps it's the insecurity of a house built on quicksand?
Why waste your years dumbing down the intelligence of your children?
The last point, is what I find to be the most important.
Dubious reasoning, and gullibility go hand in hand, if you can trick people into seeing that the world was
created in six days, with the amount of evidence we have at hand today, then you can just about deceive
them into believing and doing anything.
Like sheep, they follow the wolves.
But you can't reject the leaders of previous generations as your church leaders either.
Vossler, is your child going to a private Christian college or a secular university? Further, is he/she going to pursue a degree in any of the sciences?
If they actually use a science degree in almost any respect post-graduation, it requires a great feat of cognitive dissonance to maintain the belief that the Earth is only 6k years old. I have seen more than a handful of friends and colleagues completely lose their faith because one silly thing they believed turned out to be falsifiable by modern science. Creationism is damaging to faith and intellectual honesty, and is such a silly concept that it defies belief that middle school alumni could still believe it, not to mention the HS and extreme minority of college graduates that buy into it.
Have you ever really investigated the amount of miracles and corrections God would have had to do to make the Global flood story feasible? It's so ridiculously absurd that it is illogical for God to ever waste the effort to do it, when he could just zap all the evil people and animals in one swift blow.They also said the Titanic was unsinkable, and that bumble bees shouldn't be able to fly. But it did and they do.
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Have you ever really investigated the amount of miracles and corrections God would have had to do to make the Global flood story feasible? It's so ridiculously absurd that it is illogical for God to ever waste the effort to do it, when he could just zap all the evil people and animals in one swift blow.
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