I would question their credentials as to actually study biology then. The entire field of biology is based on evolution. You can't even discuss microbiology and disease without utilizing evolutionary theory.
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I would question their credentials as to actually study biology then. The entire field of biology is based on evolution. You can't even discuss microbiology and disease without utilizing evolutionary theory.You know I keep hearing this, primarily here at CF, but I've yet to see it play out in any real sense where I live. For example, I've spoken with two biology teachers and neither in any way shape or form are firm believers in evolution. I find it interesting that those who are supposed to know better aren't even convinced, don't you?
BTW, Hi AV - glad you decided to come up to the OT forum
Was I demonizing anyone?So demonizing someone by saying that they are the "thoughts of men" is simple mud slinging and little more. Your 6 day interpretation is a "thought of man".
Keep in mind we're talking about biology teachers, and not biologists, per se. You don't need to fully understand something in order to teach it. I've had biology teachers teach me math in grade school, and I've had chemists teach me physics.I would question their credentials as to actually study biology then.
You missed my point. I don't doubt their credentials, I know they've studied biology and have the proper degrees and background. They've just chosen to go along with the flow in order to do what it is they enjoy. Lots of folks do that all the time.I would question their credentials as to actually study biology then. The entire field of biology is based on evolution. You can't even discuss microbiology and disease without utilizing evolutionary theory.
Are you saying their ideas were not the thoughts of men?
I don't argue science because I'm not trained or educated sufficiently in it to do so. However I am able to discern when something is being presented as fact when there is little or no evidence to support it.
Perhaps I can enlighten you on AV, since I've had numerous encounters with him in the Crevo debate forum. AV is about as fundamentalist as you get when it comes to the Evo debate, although he doesn't call himself a YEC, he made up some other name so it looks like it doesn't fit into that "silly" crowd of normal YECs. He takes the 1611 King James Bible as the only authorative source of scripture, and even claims it's more accurate and trustworthy than the original Hebrew ( I believe he's stated in the past, if the Hebrew disagrees with the KJV, it's wrong).
He uses random Bible verses to support the ridiculous notion that scientific concepts such as electricity and strong forces were well known in the Bible. In fact I believe his signature used to say something about Jesus being the bind that holds nuclear forces together, or something like that.
He even went so far as to suggest at one time, that in order to re-enact the global flood, we should fill a baby swimming pool up with dirt, throw in a bunch of ants, drown the pool with water, and then ask the ants what the end result was. Needless to say this got laughs for weeks to come.
In short, you can't win with AV - evidence means absolutely nothing to him, and he's always right.
BTW, Hi AV - glad you decided to come up to the OT forum
Then why did Jesus believe in it?
[bible]Mark 10:6[/bible][bible]Mark 13:19[/bible]
Not to mention Paul:
[bible]Romans 1:20[/bible][bible]Romans 8:22[/bible]
...and Peter:
[bible]2 Peter 3:4[/bible]
What most folks call evolution I call adaptation, while defining evolution more specifically as the process of species changing into other species.Hum, quite a curious position? I am curious as to what you mean by there is "no" evidence for evolution? Hum, so is there evidence for 6 day creationism? And the Bible is not evidence for it, anymore so than the Bible is evidence that snakes can talk.
You might find this hard to believe but...yes! BTW, no offense taken, nor given.
You don't know me very well, Mallon --- I'll cut you some slack.
I eat "scientists" for lunch.
lol, if you're a Theistic Evolutionist, by definition you believe "God created."
Well, if AV as quasi-YEC, finds the YECs to be too "silly" for his taste, I wonder what that says about the YECs?
Adaptation is a mechanism of evolution. What you and other creationists don't seem to understand is you create this non-existant barrier between adaptation and "macro-evolution" in order to protect your Biblical interpretation, despite none of you actually being able to explain what the barrier is, and what prevents a species from crossing it. Tell me Vossler, what prevents a population from adapting so many times that it can no longer reasonably be considered the same species as it was before ( due to geographic isolation for example)?What most folks call evolution I call adaptation, while defining evolution more specifically as the process of species changing into other species.
This is a difficult question for any rational thinker, and has led many people down the path to disbelief. There isn't a whole lot of external evidence supporting the validity of the Bible, and saying the Bible is true because the Bible says so is circular. I've often asked myself why should I hold any more validity to the Bible than the Iliad or the Baghavad Gita, when they all are similarly lacking in the external evidence department.As a Christian how do you eliminate the Bible as a proof text?
You are aware that NONE of these verses implies a specific, literal interpretation of Genesis 1-3?
Even we non-creationists believe that God created the world and created us male and female.
Could it be that the barrier exists because we can observe one and not the other?Adaptation is a mechanism of evolution. What you and other creationists don't seem to understand is you create this non-existant barrier between adaptation and "macro-evolution" in order to protect your Biblical interpretation, despite none of you actually being able to explain what the barrier is, and what prevents a species from crossing it. Tell me Vossler, what prevents a population from adapting so many times that it can no longer reasonably be considered the same species as it was before (due to geographic isolation for example)?
Thanks for the honest answer. We obviously see this entirely different.This is a difficult question for any rational thinker, and has led many people down the path to disbelief. There isn't a whole lot of external evidence supporting the validity of the Bible, and saying the Bible is true because the Bible says so is circular. I've often asked myself why should I hold any more validity to the Bible than the Iliad or the Baghavad Gita, when they all are similarly lacking in the external evidence department.
As a Christian how do you eliminate the Bible as a proof text?
How about if one were to search the Bible for Truth, regardless of type, we would come up quite full.If one were to search the Bible for science, they would come up empty, if one were to search the bible to understand our spiritual being, they would come up quite full.
I don't need scientific proof for a 6 day creation any more than I do for Jesus' resurrection.If you want to say that the Bible is the scientific "proof" for 6 day creation, than the bible is also the scientific "proof" of talking snakes, talking assess, Samson killing an army with a donkeys jawbone etc.
No, I would say what qualifies as proof is the issue.What you seem not to understand is, what qualifies as "scientific".
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