What's the use?

lucaspa · Apr 20, 2003

Today at 12:03 AM JohnR7 said this in Post #15

Your post is a real blessing. One thing I noticed is they can not admit they are hostile against the gospel, because if they were to admit that, they would be admiting the gospel is true.

So really in effect their very attitude testifys against them.

LOL!! This is one of the best twisted logics I have yet seen you use.  People don't attack the gospel; this shows they are hostile to the gospel; being hostile to the gospel shows the gospel to be true. 

Follower of Christ · Apr 20, 2003

Today at 09:35 AM Zadok001 said this in Post #18

To continue in the vein of Judy's post.

Furthermore, FoC, haven't you noticed that the folks on this forum aren't usually interested in disproving the existance of God? At least for me, this is a matter of showing all the evidence objectively, and explaining why it doesn't support the YEC hypothesis. Essentially, I want to keep people informed enough to understand that sites like AiG are misleading them consciously. (I know you'll take exception to that statement, but come on - How many times have we been given evidence from AiG, and had it not only refuted, but shown to be entirely fallacious within tweny-four hours?)

On a similar note, I have a question for ya', FoC. You compare our actions to the actions of a man bent on disproving the existance of Santa. This is a flawed analogy for several reasons. First, as Judy pointed out, there is not a massive, cooridinated League For Santa's Existance. If there were, I get the distinct feeling you would feel the need to talk to them, yes? (Especially if, say, the LFSE claimed that Santa was the reincarnation of Muhammed and was also the second coming of Christ.)

Second (and I could be wrong here, I might be attaching your name to incorrectly remembered posts), I believe you have on occassion claimed that disbelief in God and the YEC hypothesis require more faith than belief. Hence, I have to ask why you waste your time trying to convince them otherwise - Aren't you tearing down THEIR beliefs, just as you complain they are tearing down yours? What's the relevant distinction here? (The response "My beliefs are TRUE!" is silly for obvious reasons, I hope you won't try that.)

Given that my memory is fairly bad, I can neither confirm or deny any post mentioned above.

However I would like to add "My beliefs are TRUE!"

lucaspa · Apr 20, 2003

Today at 12:34 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #16

That is very well said.

So you too buy the twisted logic? Figures.

I dont believe in Santa, and I would not waste a second of my time arguing that he doesnt exist.

Why don't you believe in Santa?  If you look at it, FoC, and think a bit, you will find that you "don't believe" because you can falsify Santa. Of course, this is a strawman since here you are in agreement with the entire adult world.  So who would you argue against? A 3 year old?

If someone doesnt believe in God, I fail to see why they would even waste any time arguing that He doesnt exist.

Perhaps because you and other creationists are misrepresenting science to tell us that God does exist?  Did it ever occur to you that the objection is not to your belief in God but in your misrepresentation of the Bible, Christianity, and science.  Oh, that couldn't be it, because FoC is not really a "follower of Christ" but the guy who gets to tell everyone what the Bible says and what Christianity is.  It isn't possible that FoC could be wrong, is it? 

I think that for the most part, atheists DO believe something is out there. They sure seem to spend an aweful lot of time trying to prove there isnt.

And you spend a whole lot of time trying to prove that God does exist.  Why?

Welcome to science.  Haven't you listened to anything we've told you about science?  Science works by showing that ideas/entities are false.  So, if atheists are serious about being scientific, this is what they have to do.

Its that determination in them that causes me to think they do believe.

That determination shows that they have just as strong a faith that God does not exist as you have faith that God does exist.  How you can twist it into a belief that God does exist is beyond logic or reason.

But the evolution debate, once again , isn't about whether God exists, but how God created. It is you who have made the mistake that evolution is atheism.

lucaspa · Apr 20, 2003

Today at 11:08 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #22 

However I would like to add "My beliefs are TRUE!"

You believe your beliefs are true.  But if you had the objective, intersubjective evidence to demonstrate that, there wouldn't be any disagreement.

Micaiah · Apr 20, 2003

There are several of us here who view creationism as the greatest danger facing Christianity. Atheism can be dealt with. The danger to Christianity is the logical flaw that says that if God didn't create by the way the creationists say, then there is no God. Keep promoting that logical flaw as truth, get people to accept the flaw as truth, and the inevitable result is to drive people away from Christianity in particular and theism in general. Several people on this board are trying to save Christianity from creationism.

Comments you made presviously in which you reject a historical interpretation of much of the OT demonstrate the insincerity of your motives.

SplitRock · Apr 20, 2003

Many scientists and educators became interested in (or alarmed by) this debate only after creationists started getting laws passed to either ban or compromise the teaching of evolution in public schools. This effort continues today, and has been extended by creationists to local school districts, making it even more difficult to stop.

I for one do not care what anyones beliefs are, as long as they do not impose those beliefs on others... especially by disguising those beliefs as something they are not.

Nathan Poe · Apr 20, 2003

17th April 2003 at 11:17 PM JohnR7 said this in Post #1

I wonder why I come on here, when people spend so much time trying to attack, tear down and destroy something I love and care about very much and is a endless source of comfort and strength to me. It fact, christianity gives me a sound mind.

I really wonder, what's the use? Am I just wasting my time here? I am sure there must be a more productive way I can use my time. I am sure there is someone somewhere, that I can help to receive what God has for them. No one on here seems interested.

Didn't you once talk about doing missionary work or something like that? You had best be ready to not only explain what you believe, but defend it. Not everyone will accept you with open arms...

You had best consider these forums to be training. What will happen once you're a stranger in a strange land?

wblastyn · Apr 20, 2003

This post just proves creationists are terrified of evolution because they equate it with atheism, and if evolution is shown to be true (which it has), then atheism is true.

It's your own fault if you can't accept that Genesis might not be literal, just stop trying to bring others down there with you. When are you going to realise you're interpretation of scripture is wrong.

Believe it or not most of the time that I doubt God's existance is when I read some argument a creationist has come up with to prove you have to believe in literal Genesis to be a Christian.

Nathan Poe · Apr 20, 2003

Today at 06:34 PM wblastyn said this in Post #28

This post just proves creationists are terrified of evolution because they equate it with atheism, and if evolution is shown to be true (which it has), then atheism is true.

It's your own fault if you can't accept that Genesis might not be literal, just stop trying to bring others down there with you. When are you going to realise you're interpretation of scripture is wrong.

Believe it or not most of the time that I doubt God's existance is when I read some argument a creationist has come up with to prove you have to believe in literal Genesis to be a Christian.

Well, isn't that always the way? When someone shoves a Bible in your face, quotes chapter and verse, and tells you that this is what God is, this is all that God is, and this is only what God is, doesn't it make you ask, "What's the point?"

L'Anatra · Apr 22, 2003

20th April 2003 at 09:20 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #29
Well, isn't that always the way? When someone shoves a Bible in your face, quotes chapter and verse, and tells you that this is what God is, this is all that God is, and this is only what God is, doesn't it make you ask, "What's the point?"

Unfortunately, yes.

Follower of Christ · Apr 22, 2003

20th April 2003 at 09:20 PM Nathan Poe said this in Post #29

Well, isn't that always the way? When someone shoves a Bible in your face, quotes chapter and verse, and tells you that this is what God is, this is all that God is, and this is only what God is, doesn't it make you ask, "What's the point?"

I hardly think any Christian would claim that the Bible is ALL that God is. That is YOUR misunderstanding.

We do however claim that the Bible is true and anything that goes against the things that ARE written in it are wrong.

Nathan Poe · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 08:55 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #31

I hardly think any Christian would claim that the Bible is ALL that God is. That is YOUR misunderstanding.

We do however claim that the Bible is true and anything that goes against the things that ARE written in it are wrong.

So if anyone says anything about the nature of God which is either not mentioned or contradicted, directly or indirectly, byt he Bible, then they're wrong.

You've just proven my point for me.

Micaiah · Apr 22, 2003

Yesterday at 12:23 AM SplitRock said this in Post #26

Many scientists and educators became interested in (or alarmed by) this debate only after creationists started getting laws passed to either ban or compromise the teaching of evolution in public schools. This effort continues today, and has been extended by creationists to local school districts, making it even more difficult to stop.

I for one do not care what anyones beliefs are, as long as they do not impose those beliefs on others... especially by disguising those beliefs as something they are not.

The irony of your comments has obviously escaped you. Christians who believe the Scriptures resent having theories that are essentially antagonistic to their beliefs and their associated world views taught to their children.

Follower of Christ · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 09:08 AM Nathan Poe said this in Post #32

So if anyone says anything about the nature of God which is either not mentioned or contradicted, directly or indirectly, byt he Bible, then they're wrong.

You've just proven my point for me.

Nathan, it will cause me cardiac failure if you are ever able to take ones words, read them as written, and actually UNDERSTAND them without interjecting some ridiculous notion into them.

I have heard of ''reading between the lines'', but YOUR particular method of doing so is absolutely absurd.

I doubt that anyone could possibly ever have an intelligent conversation with you as they wouldnt be able to even speak without fear of your making their every word a complete mockery of what their words were actually conveying.

Nathan Poe · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 09:26 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #34

Nathan, it will cause me cardiac failure if you are ever able to take ones words, read them as written, and actually UNDERSTAND them without interjecting some ridiculous notion into them.

Pray for a stronger heart and read your last post again.

I have heard of ''reading between the lines'', but YOUR particular method of doing so is absolutely absurd.

Probably because it's not between the lines. Your exact words were:

We do however claim that the Bible is true and anything that goes against the things that ARE written in it are wrong.

What exactly am I reading "between the lines"?

 

And now here comes the inevitable personal attack...

I doubt that anyone could possibly ever have an intelligent conversation with you as they wouldnt be able to even speak without fear of your making their every word a complete mockery of what their words were actually conveying.

First, anyone who claims to speak with absolute infallable authority on the nature of God is not, by my definition, having an "intelligent conversation."

Second, this isn't a conversation, it's a debate. Am I to blame if you keep tripping on your own words and contradicting yourself?

Follower of Christ · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 09:45 AM Nathan Poe said this in Post #35

Pray for a stronger heart and read your last post again.

Probably because it's not between the lines. Your exact words were:

What exactly am I reading "between the lines"?

 

And now here comes the inevitable personal attack...

First, anyone who claims to speak with absolute infallable authority on the nature of God is not, by my definition, having an "intelligent conversation."

Second, this isn't a conversation, it's a debate. Am I to blame if you keep tripping on your own words and contradicting yourself?

I did read my post again and you did interject meanings not there. Again ''Meanings Not There''.
You really have a hard time dealing with correction, dont you?

The scriptures as presented the the Bible are infallible athority on the nature of God, they are merely not all inclusive as you try to infer.
God could not possibly tell all that He is in any amount of written words.
The Bibles purpose in not to present the entirety of God, it would be impossible for it to do so.

''For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall fully know even as I also am fully known.''
(1 Corinthians 13:12 MKJV)

''Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be. But we know that when He shall be revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. ''
(1 John 3:2 MKJV)

And you'll have to show me where I have tripped up on my words.
Show me exactly how you came to the conclusion you did from my previous post.
Spell it out, dont just keep rambling on.

Follower of Christ · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 08:55 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #31

I hardly think any Christian would claim that the Bible is ALL that God is. That is YOUR misunderstanding.

We do however claim that the Bible is true and anything that goes against the things that ARE written in it are wrong.

''I hardly think any Christian would claim that the Bible is ALL that God is. ''

FOC:
God is far more than written words

''We do however claim that the Bible is true and anything that goes against the things that ARE written in it are wrong. ''

FOC:
It is FINAL in authority.
If it says jump, then we jump (and joyfully, I might add )

Nathan Poe;
''So if anyone says anything about the nature of God which is either not mentioned or contradicted, directly or indirectly, byt he Bible, then they're wrong.''

FOC:
Where this came from is beyond me.
I said ''God is far more than written words'' and
''It is FINAL in authority''

Your remarks were apples and Oranges to what my post said

''If someone says anything about the nature of God not mentioned in the scriptures it may very well be so. I myself, stick adamantly to scripture.
If it is contradicted by the scriptures, thenit would definetly not be true.''

Pete Harcoff · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 10:14 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #37

It is FINAL in authority.
If it says jump, then we jump (and joyfully, I might add )

I always would have thought God would be "FINAL in authority". But that's just me...

wblastyn · Apr 22, 2003

It is FINAL in authority.
If it says jump, then we jump (and joyfully, I might add )

Yet more proof that creationists worship the Bible and not God. 

God is the final authority.

Did you ever think your interpretation might be wrong?  Isn't creation just as much God's Word as the Bible is?

JohnR7 · Apr 22, 2003

Today at 09:26 AM Follower of Christ said this in Post #34

Nathan, it will cause me cardiac failure if you are ever able to take ones words, read them as written, and actually UNDERSTAND them without interjecting some ridiculous notion into them. 

You need to be more careful. You maybe surprised at what Nathan knows and understands. He just thinks he is called by God to strengthen your faith by making you question what you believe.

I remember a pastors son once in california. He hated hyprocracy, so he conducted himself in a way he was going to find out right away if someone judged from the outward appearance of if they could look past that into the heart and what was on the inside.

You concept of "ridiculous notion" is more his attempt at humor.

 

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