Whats the Difference?

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

Hello all! First time on this forum. I just got a couple of questions. What is there difference between being a "normal" christian and being a messianic jew? How do messianic jews view jesus as compared to "normal" christians? Do messianic Jews believe in the trinity, or do they view it differently? If you are a messianic jew, are you consideed christian or jewish? If these questions hav been answered, please let me know where, I checked the FAQ thread, so these are things that I thought of after reading it.

God Bless!

Sephania · Aug 2, 2004

Nossa-the-Lame said:
, I checked the FAQ thread, so these are things that I thought of after reading it.

God Bless!

simchat_torah · Aug 2, 2004

hehe, maybe you missed the last sentance Erin:

I checked the FAQ thread, so these are things that I thought of after reading it.

Well, Nossa, let me see if I can help a bit...

What is there difference between being a "normal" christian and being a messianic jew?

Outside of what's listed in the FAQ, what specific questions do you have?

How do messianic jews view jesus as compared to "normal" christians?

Most messianics view him pretty much the same.

Do messianic Jews believe in the trinity, or do they view it differently?

Some do, some don't. There are many many varying thoughts concerning the make-up of G-d in Messianic Judaism.

If you are a messianic jew, are you consideed christian or jewish?

Again, Messianic Judaism is rather diverse. For example, I consider myself a Jew. JewishHeart, another messianic member of this forum would probably say he's a christian primarily.

Shalom,
yafet

Sephania · Aug 2, 2004

How do messianic jews view jesus as compared to "normal" christians?

shalom Nossa, perhaps if you could tell us how "Normal Christians" view Jesus we could make a comparison?

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

Er, I mean, do Messianic Jews feel that Jesus is the son of God, and therefore believe in the trinity? Or do they think he is just the messiah, nothing more or less? Sorry if some of my questions are broad, I have a tnedency to do that

Oh another question! Well, more like a couple. And I know one of these could probably be answered best elsewhere, but here it goes:

Firstly, was it true that when jesus came that he made it so that the old covanent was no longer needed, or was that something done to get converts to christianity? And do messianic jews believe in heaven and hell?

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

Oh, another kinda silly question: Do messianic jews practice the same tenets as other Jews, other than believing that Jesus was the messiah?

Also: Do messianic jews believe in the devil/lucifer/satan?

God Bless!

simchat_torah · Aug 2, 2004

do Messianic Jews feel that Jesus is the son of God

yes

and therefore believe in the trinity?

Not all do...

Or do they think he is just the messiah, nothing more or less?

Some beileve that, yes.

Firstly, was it true that when jesus came that he made it so that the old covanent was no longer needed...

No, he did not abolish the Old Testament. Not according to Messianic Judaism anyway.

or was that something done to get converts to christianity?

That's definately one possibility.

And do messianic jews believe in heaven and hell?

Yes.

Do messianic jews practice the same tenets as other Jews, other than believing that Jesus was the messiah?

Some do.

Do messianic jews believe in the devil/lucifer/satan?

Yes.

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

Thanks ST and to all who have helped try to answer my questions! I still got a couple more, hope I am not being bothersome Is there some way I can find out on the net if there is a local MJ synagoug where I live? THat way I can talk to someone in person and get more answers. Thanks again!

God Bless!

simchat_torah · Aug 2, 2004

hope I am not being bothersome

Not at all.

Is there some way I can find out on the net if there is a local MJ synagoug where I live?

Where do you live? I can post a fe of them in your area/state.

mjterry87 · Aug 2, 2004

Something I want to clear up is that not all messianics are Jews. I myself am not a Jew but a Gentile. I do not want to convert to Judaism, and have no plans to because then that would mean I would have to say that I don't believe in Yeshua. Infact 90% of us here on the MJ form are gentiles! The main difference between Christians and Messianics is that we follow the Torah, and believed that Yeshua preached it. Where as Christians don't really follow the Torah, just what Yeshua preached, even though it is the Torah, they eat unholy food, and don't celebrate the biblical holidays.

Shalom

ShirChadash · Aug 2, 2004

Some links that may be helpful:

http://www.umjcwebs.net/_umjcdirectory/search_directory.asp

http://iamcs.org/Directory.php?Country=USA

http://www.yashanet.com/messcon1.htm

brentsbaby612 · Aug 2, 2004

Something I want to clear up is that not all messianics are Jews. I myself am not a Jew but a Gentile. I do not want to convert to Judaism, and have no plans to because then that would mean I would have to say that I don't believe in Yeshua.

Most of us do not believe that to be Jewish means that you do not believe in Yeshua. I for one feel that the belief in Yeshua is, in fact, Jewish! Christianity is just the fulfillment in Judaism. They are one in the same and both need each other.
Shalom/ BB

mjterry87 · Aug 2, 2004

I agree, but I just have no plans on converting, because with my faith in Yeshua, I am grafted into the Jewish family of G-D's chosen people.

ShirChadash · Aug 2, 2004

Yeshua is the filling-full of Judaism, yes.

brentsbaby612 · Aug 2, 2004

Yeshua is the filling-full of Judaism, yes.

So if Judaism was a donut(eclair to be percise ) the torah would be the pastry and Yeshua would be the cream filling? (yes, yes, I am a dork )

ShirChadash · Aug 2, 2004

uhm...

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

simchat_torah said:
Not at all.Where do you live? I can post a fe of them in your area/state.

Well I live near Sacramento California, I did a litle search of my own and went to the one supposedly in Sacto, and when I went there it was not, nor was the website up or either of their phones lines in use. That was the only one I believe in my area, I will continue to search, and/or possibly find out what happened to the synagouge. But any help with trying to find any others would be most helpful

God Bless!

Nossa-the-Lame · Aug 2, 2004

Ok, found the same congregation, but with a different phone number and different adress. I emailed the Rabbi, I think. If anyone comes up with anything,that is most appreciated.

By Grace · Aug 3, 2004

Nossa-the-Lame said:
Ok, found the same congregation, but with a different phone number and different adress. I emailed the Rabbi, I think. If anyone comes up with anything,that is most appreciated.

You might also try calling some of the congregations in your Yellow Pages. I live in a rural area and couldn't find a Messianic synagogue anywhere close by, so I started calling churches from the Yellow Pages who didn't advertise being a certain denomination (Baptist, Methodist, etc.). I found one small congregation that worships on the Sabbath (because it's the Sabbath, not just to be different), and talked to one of the staff members on the phone. Turns out they are primed to learn more about the biblical holidays! They currently don't celebrate what she called the "pagan holidays", and she said she was very interested in what I was learning about the biblical holidays. I'm very excited about visiting this congregation soon, and hopefully they will be interested in growing in the right direction on this. That doesn't mean I want to "convert" them all to Messianic Judaism, per se, but I think it's a wonderful opportunity for us to learn together and challenge each other in the search for Truth. From talking with her, it sounds like they are more open-minded than most churches in this area about learning directly from Scripture, rather than taking as factual all the misconceptions we've been fed all our lives.

Sephania · Aug 3, 2004

Do messianic Jews believe in the trinity, or do they view it differently?

It is viewed differently by most "learned" Messianic believers, it depends on the religious background I have found of how this is looked at.

If you are a messianic jew, are you consideed christian or jewish?

It depends on who's doing the calling. Most in traditional Judaism will call us Christians, or heretics and some call us Hebrew Christians ( of those who are Jewish) and there are Christians that call us Judaizers because of what we believe, so really the only ones that refer to us as Messianic are those who are Messianic themselves. I prefer to be called a follower of Y'shua, the living word, because you can believe all you want, and even the demons believe, but they do not follow, following, thus considered a "work" will show what is truly in your heart, words aren't worth the paper or air they are printed or spoken on, unless you are HaShem of course!

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