What's right With It?

honorthesabbath · Feb 7, 2008

For years in this forum, we have endured the constant bashing of the SDA church by some of it's members. The progressives have attacked every doctrinal pillar that defines us as the unique movement of God that we are. So I think the time has come for them to tell the rest of us what exactly it is that causes them to remain in the church and call themselves Seventh-day Adventists.

List for us please those teachings of the SDA church that you as a progressive think that are RIGHT. We look forward to your answers. Thank you.

freeindeed2 · Feb 7, 2008

honorthesabbath said:
For years in this forum, we have endured the constant bashing of the SDA church by some of it's members. The progressives have attacked every doctrinal pillar that defines us as the unique movement of God that we are. So I think the time has come for them to tell the rest of us what exactly it is that causes them to remain in the church and call themselves Seventh-day Adventists.

Most that I know stay to spread the true Gospel of Jesus Christ out of concern and compassion for their friends and family who are under the bondage of a grace + something gospel popular in Adventism.

In Christ alone...

sentipente · Feb 7, 2008

Honor, no one is bashing the SDA church. What you are witnessing is the ultimate expression of the concept of Present Truth. This may be a belief unique among Adventists. From my perspective it is also acceptance of the fallibility of humans. This fallibility requires me to have a healthy scepticism regarding any perpective advanced by humans. One cannot believe in Present Truth and refuse to question.

I am also disappointed that some who identify themselves as progressives refuse to question beliefs they hold as Christians while they will question beliefs they used to hold as Adventists. If we can accept the doctrine of angels, for example, even when it makes no rational sense then the attack on similarly positioned Adventist doctrines makes no sense.

moicherie · Feb 7, 2008

What I like is that (so far) I don't have to justify my Adventism to anyone, even to other Adventists on public forums.

RC_NewProtestants · Feb 7, 2008

I have been writing an article to submit to Adventist Today on this subject I am almost done. I am sure Honor will not like it but the best part of the Adventist church is that it was not formed on the basis of traditions. It was formed on questioning the status quo. In fact that continues in many areas of Adventism though only those areas that have not been contaminated completely by traditionalism which has become a part of a subsection of Adventism.

So we have people in the Adventist church who represent many different ideas and are searching to unify the ideas into an overall rational view of Christianity. Just as the SDA church rejected eternal hell as being unreasonable way for God to act there are groups that think our Penal atonement theory is equally unreasonable. In other words they are not accepting of something just because it was preached for hundreds of years but they want to represent God in a more realistic way.

It is true that other denominations have people delving into these things also but the Adventist church was founded upon the questioning of accepted doctrines. What we have to do is keep the questioning up and not accept the traditionalist assumption that we have the truth and should stop questioning. That is why there is so much friction between progressive and Traditional Adventist.

In a very real way the Traditional/Historical Adventist is the aberration against the actual reason for the foundation of the Adventist church.

Mankin · Feb 7, 2008

And you don't bash other people's beliefs as well? This topic commits the suicide tactic. You protest us bashing your beliefs but at the same time you are bashing our beliefs through many of your posts. In other words your post looses significance.

Also discussing the falacies of doctrines and bashing them are two entirely different things. The only doctrine I would bash would be the perfection theology.

Mankin · Feb 7, 2008

Accepting something ignorantly based on tradition is to doom oneself. It happened to the Spartans, it happened to the Catholic Church during the Reformation, and it is happening right now among some people.

honorthesabbath · Feb 7, 2008

Well--so far no one has actually answered the OP. All I asked is what doctrines of the SDA church do progressives agree with and so far all I've gotten is...well--nothing but 'explanations' of why you don't like the trads. We already KNOW that. So could you all try again and tell me what I originally asked you?

List for us please those teachings of the SDA church that you as a progressive think that are RIGHT. We look forward to your answers. Thank you.

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Adventist Dissident · Feb 7, 2008

HONOR

i LIKE THE SABBATH, THE HEALTH MESSAGE, i LIKE THE RULES( DICIPLESHIP), THE CONDITIONALIST VIEW OF DEATH, AND VEGI MEATS UM UM GOOD

iF THE SDA CHRUCH GOT RID OF, EGW, THE REMENAT, 2300 DAYS, THE SANCTUARY DOCTRINE, THE 1000 YEARS IN HEAVEN AND THE SUNDAY LAW. i WOULD LIKE IT.

annie1speed · Feb 7, 2008

Ice,

I don't think you could have been more clear. But some people read through some pretty thick filters.

freeindeed2 · Feb 8, 2008

This is what I answered from your OP.

So I think the time has come for them to tell the rest of us what exactly it is that causes them to remain in the church and call themselves Seventh-day Adventists.

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In Christ alone...

JonMiller · Feb 8, 2008

sentipente said:
I am also disappointed that some who identify themselves as progressives refuse to question beliefs they hold as Christians while they will question beliefs they used to hold as Adventists. If we can accept the doctrine of angels, for example, even when it makes no rational sense then the attack on similarly positioned Adventist doctrines makes no sense.

What is the doctrine of angels?

JM

honorthesabbath · Feb 8, 2008

freeindeed2 said:
This is what I answered from your OP.

In Christ alone...

So basically, from what I get from your post, you only stay in the SDA church to FIGHT against tradition? Is that it?

honorthesabbath · Feb 8, 2008

icedragon101 said:
HONOR

i LIKE THE SABBATH, THE HEALTH MESSAGE, i LIKE THE RULES( DICIPLESHIP), THE CONDITIONALIST VIEW OF DEATH, AND VEGI MEATS UM UM GOOD

iF THE SDA CHRUCH GOT RID OF, EGW, THE REMENAT, 2300 DAYS, THE SANCTUARY DOCTRINE, THE 1000 YEARS IN HEAVEN AND THE SUNDAY LAW. i WOULD LIKE IT.

RC--would you explain 'conditionalist view of death' please? And also what you understand about dicipleship? I'm not sure what you mean by these.

And thank you for responding to the OP as asked.

honorthesabbath · Feb 8, 2008

annie1speed said:
Ice,

I don't think you could have been more clear. But some people read through some pretty thick filters.

So thats your input to the OP?

honorthesabbath · Feb 8, 2008

annie1speed said:
Ice,

I don't think you could have been more clear. But some people read through some pretty thick filters.

So thats your input to the OP?

freeindeed2 · Feb 8, 2008

honorthesabbath said:
So basically, from what I get from your post, you only stay in the SDA church to FIGHT against tradition? Is that it?

If you're equating teaching the true Gospel of Jesus Christ with 'fighting against tradition', then I guess you could make that analogy. Jesus certainly did this. The Gospel is the 'main thing', and as Christians it's our responsibility to keep the 'main thing' the 'main thing'. Most of what is talked about here (from a defensive SDA perspective) parallels the Pharisees and the very reason they wanted to kill Jesus. The Pharisees were not about the 'Good News' that stood in front of them. They were about tradition.

In Christ alone...

RC_NewProtestants · Feb 8, 2008

honorthesabbath said:
Well--so far no one has actually answered the OP. All I asked is what doctrines of the SDA church do progressives agree with and so far all I've gotten is...well--nothing but 'explanations' of why you don't like the trads. We already KNOW that. So could you all try again and tell me what I originally asked you?

Well actually that is not what you asked. So that is probably why no one answered it that way. Since there are so many areas of agreement within the many Christian denominations it is not worth while to spend time saying I believe in the Second Coming, I believe in Grace, I believe in forgiveness etc. The fact is that it is the difference that indicate more information then the areas of agreement. You should realize that by the simple repetitive nature of political candidates where they spend most of their time talking about their differences from either the current administration or their opponents.

sentipente · Feb 8, 2008

honorthesabbath said:
Well--so far no one has actually answered the OP. All I asked is what doctrines of the SDA church do progressives agree with and so far all I've gotten is...well--nothing but 'explanations' of why you don't like the trads. We already KNOW that. So could you all try again and tell me what I originally asked you?

I think you missed my reference to Present Truth and Human fallibility.

StormyOne · Feb 9, 2008

In my opinion Honor is in a theological box, and she is not going to be happy until one of two things happens... either others join her in that box, OR those that don't join her in the box are expelled or banned... now just because she chooses to limit her thinking to the confines of her box does not mean we must all join her there...

Yes Honor that is my response to your question... enjoy your box..... resist the urge to try to put others in a box.... have a great day...

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