applepowerpc said:I don't even know where to start. First, you say not every Jew TODAY belongs to Judah or Levi, and you back that up by mentioning Jews from 2000 years ago. That is clearly flawed.
applepowerpc said:Second, Numbers 1 is the census of the tribes. The 12 tribes are listed out by name, and Levi is plainly not one of them:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=4&chapter=1&version=31&context=chapter
Num 1: The Lord spoke to Moses in the Tent of Meeting in the Desert of Sinai on the first day of the second month of the second year after the Israelites came out of Egypt. He said: 2 "Take a census of the whole Israelite community by their clans and families, listing every man by name, one by one. 3 You and Aaron are to number by their divisions all the men in Israel twenty years old or more who are able to serve in the army.
And I, behold, I have taken your brethren the Levites from among the children of Israel: to you they are given as a gift for the L-RD, to do the service of the tabernacle of the congregation.
The 144,000 in Revelation cannot be relevant, since Jews don't even believe in the New Testament.
No, I am not cohanim, only Levite, only under Yeshua am I but that's a different priesthood. As far as the markers, G-d is colorblind, yes there are many dark skinned Jews, I have personally met them and some that even believe in Yeshua as their Messiah! I am grateful that my G-d does not operate on 'common sense' but rather, uncommon.Third:
I'm sure you've got Aaron's DNA sitting around somewhere? Because first you've got the common-sense issue that before you can DNA test anything, you first have to produce the DNA of _one single Israelite_. Second, it's incredibly odd that "DNA testing" has proved the Levitical heritage of the black Ethiopian Jews, white Jews, and Yemenite Jews all at the same time. And third, common sense should raise anyone's eyebrow that 6 million white people, in a narrow strip of land surrounded by a bunch of Arabs, somehow share the same semitic DNA. For so many people with Middle Eastern descent, they sure don't look it. But that's just common sense talking....
If you want to debate the case further, I will be happy to share with the rest of this board how rabbinical Jewish history traces itself to the Khazar Empire, in RUSSIA. Not Israel. And how Gog and Magog can mean "north" and "from the north". Which is exactly where these rabbinical Jews invaded Israel from.
This is in the process of happening. First the bringing back, which is still going on. There are many Jewish believers across Israel, despite it being sort of illegal. G-d is being true to his word, the problem is, before you could look back in history and compare that to the bible, now you are actually living in the time of prophecy unfolding.bytheway said:Ezekiel 36
24 " 'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. 28 You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. 29 I will save you from all your uncleanness.
This doesnt sound like the current Israel!!!!!!!!! Is the current Israel not the real Israel?
ByTheWay said:Is the current Israel not the real Israel?
Zayit said:This is in the process of happening. First the bringing back, which is still going on. There are many Jewish believers across Israel, despite it being sort of illegal. G-d is being true to his word, the problem is, before you could look back in history and compare that to the bible, now you are actually living in the time of prophecy unfolding.
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You can't have a 'real Israel' without Jesus Christ.
'Real Israel' hath both the Son and the Father.
Or as John told us:
"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also." I John 2:23
There continued coming to Christ then, is what is important. Not their location.
I don't have the statistics--but most Jews who are not living in Israel, probably live in NYC/Brooklyn or the Bronx. Hitler pretty much wiped them out in Europe during the WWII Holocaust.bytheway said:Hi i've got some questions,
How many Isralites are there in the world that dont live in Isreal?
God is in control and He will accomplish all that He has promised to the nation of Israel.Gods going to bring all the Isralites back to Isreal, whats he going use to make them go to Isreal?
The Abrahamic Covenant in Genesis 12 & 15 is an everlasting covenant. What God has promised, He will do.How is Isreal going to get the rest of its land back?
Does everyone who is an Isralite know that they are one?
Do all the Isralites know what tribe they belong to?
The 144,000 in Revelation cannot be relevant, since Jews don't even believe in the New Testament.
We don't? ( there are many of us nowadays that do).
No, I am not cohanim, only Levite, only under Yeshua am I but that's a different priesthood.
Zayit said:[FONT="] Not every Jew today belongs to only Levi or Judah. There are other tribes as well that are even mentioned in the Gospels who were know in Jesus' time. For a couple, Asher and Benyamin.[/FONT]
bytheway said:Hi i've got some questions,
How many Isralites are there in the world that dont live in Isreal?
Gods going to bring all the Isralites back to Isreal, whats he going use to make them go to Isreal?
How is Isreal going to get the rest of its land back?
Does everyone who is an Isralite know that they are one?
Do all the Isralites know what tribe they belong to?
Kingdom_Come said:It’s because a lot of people unfortunately confuse the term Jew with representing all Hebrew people. Look at it this way, you can be a Californian and also be an American. However just because you are an American does not mean you are a Californian. Such is the case with the Hebrew people. Jews are of a specific tribe primarily consisting of the tribe of Judah so Jews are also Hebrew. However not every Hebrew is a Jew because not all Hebrew people descend from the line of Judah. However all Hebrews descend from Jacob. This is where the understanding of the lost tribes that are scattered among the Gentiles comes from. They are not lost to God.
Excellent post. The muslims feel they have replaced Israel as God's chosen for example.Affinity said:The above is incorrect.
Quite simply: The term Hebrew describes blood-line, ancestory.
The term Jew describes the belief, the religion.
The majority of the Jews in Israel today are actually of Russian ancestory. In any case, there are very few, if any, people alive today who can prove they are of true Hebrew descent, the blood line has been mixed and essentially lost over the centuries of the Jewish dispersion, as well as the records.
the blood line has been mixed and essentially lost over the centuries of the Jewish dispersion, as well as the records.
The point of these questions is so that I could recieve an answer.Affinity said:Don't mean to sound rude, but what is the point of these questions?
How so?Affinity said:the blood line has been mixed and essentially lost over the centuries of the Jewish dispersion, as well as the records.
bytheway said:Gods going to bring all the Isralites back to Isreal, whats he going use to make them go to Isreal?
the blood line has been mixed and essentially lost over the centuries of the Jewish dispersion, as well as the records.
How so?
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