What's fair?

Beanieboy said:

I'm lost, Ted. Are you proposing that you don't just live with your religion and positions on issues like abortion, but impose them upon nonChristians?
1) The Constitution clearly states government shall neither prohibit nor endorse any one religion. So, the Constitution makes it impossible to impose Christian values on another from a legal standpoint
2) Why would a Christian ask a nonChristian to follow their religious code? If a Muslim told you to stop eating pork because it is unclean according to the Quran, would you? If not, to then demand it of others isn't loving your neighbor.
3) Why would we as Christians want everyone to follow a Christian code of ethics, rather than hear about Christ?
4) How would we even determine what that code of ethics would look like when Christians hold such different viewpoints?

A friend of mine came over to hang out, and started insisting that abortion was wrong in all instances. When he asked me, I told him that as a gay man, I don't think about it often, bc I will never be in a situation where one of us is pregnant. To say it is always wrong leaves little room for circumstances of, for example, a father impregnated his 11 yr old daughter he is molesting, or rape. In the instance of rape, he asked why the baby should suffer. I asked why the woman should have to relive a trauma with a pregnancy that happened without her consent.,

At some point, I asked him why this concerned him so much. He is also gay, knows no one personally getting an abortion. So, I then asked what he did for the women who kept their babies - was he actively in support of funding for single mothers trying to feed their baby? Was he involved in resources that provide childcare?

Nothing. He really cared about the unborn. Once they are born, he feels done with his job.

Getting back to the OP, I agree that both parties should be held responsible. However, we also need to change our current social views. Some churches preach Purity - saving yourself until marriage, but inly to the girls. For the boys, it's more of a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge." Men are called Romeo, Lady's Man, Stud, while women are called harlots, etc.

Men are taught that having sex with a lot of women shows how great you are with your peers, teaches that the woman is responsible for birth control, and simply by being male, whether fornication is a sin or not, no one will confront you on it.

We also need more support for single mothers, need to stop judging single mothers who chose to keep their baby, nor tell someone if they couldn't afford the child they shouldn't have had them.

What happens in issues that are very emotionally charged is that people on both sides get more caught up in fighting the opposition, than pregnant women themselves.

Check out the movie Citizen Ruth. She gets caught in the battle between ProLife and ProChoice.

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miamited said:

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Now, before anyone gets their tights wrapped up, I do believe that abortion is wrong. However, I also believe that God intended for the sexual union to be between a husband and wife. So, we can pile on a whole bunch of wrongs that lead to this issue of abortion.

Let's start from the beginning of a pregnancy. A man has sexual relations with a woman or visa versa. There are two people involved in the coupling that produces a pregnancy and in many, many cases, obviously, that pregnancy is unwanted by both the man and the woman. Yet, it is only the woman that will be held to a responsibility to carry through with the pregnancy and be responsible for the child. Whether the child is put up for adoption or raised by his mother.

I believe that for the law in Texas to be fair, then what should be done is that any woman who has an unwanted pregnancy must name the man involved. The man, pending DNA verification, must purchase a $100,000 surety bond and provide medical insurance for both the hospital costs and the child until he/she is 18. The $100,000 surety bond would then be used to force the man to pay at least $500.00/month child support for his child, also until the age of 18.

Sadly, because the sexual union is so often used these days, and portrayed in much of our entertainment, as just the way one enjoys the after dinner time, rather than within the confines of a committed marriage, we are always going to have unwanted pregnancies.

Now, we could further the reduction of unwanted pregnancies by making sexually active men undergo a reversible vasectomy until they produce a valid marriage certificate to have the procedure reversed.

That would be more fair. Not just putting all this responsibility of a sexual union, in which two people were involved, on just one of the two.

God bless,
Ted

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