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There is one difference though. I dared to categorically refute many of the most cherished and adored traditions held by certain moderators (who were not all moderators when I did this).
Not only refute them. Stick them in an infuriating corner because they could not refute my arguments.
So? Over time? Slowly but surely they carefully built their case. And, when they had enough for a majority vote? Blammm! You're out!
But I am the one quoting the scriptures, you are not doing so... what I write are not my own ideas ,but simply what the scripture I quote clearly says... if you think these scriptures are false, then OK, if you don't then why do you call them lies...
We have a group who have been given power as mods by the site structure and who abuse that power to impose personal creeds eve when one can prove these false by scripture .... it simply ruins the opportunity to reprove beliefs to the scripture as is meant to happen :-
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
thus tempting sinners to judge others and giving them the power to gag people and even to bvan people is UNLOVING and CORRUPTS Christians besides the unlovingness they mete out to those seeking the truth .... it is so very SICK and so very far from justice or love that should abound on a Christian site...
The problem boils down to this. Religion can not evaluate the living growing relationship that Christianity is. Both may call themselves Christian. But, in function? That is not the case. Remember! We are a classroom for angels. They are watching and observing why God will not tolerate evil in his Kingdom. These things have to happen for that reason. God comforts those who love his Word. And, these things must happen.the structure is wrong because it corrupts people, sinners cannot judge aright because they are sinners, not saints.. do not then appoint them as judges else they mess themselves and others up by being unloving here...
Jesus made the law of love for a reason , because it works... so IMPLEMENT it as the law here !! So obvious, yet it doesn't happen....
We accept that all three are essences of the One Being
[/COLOR]It is the churches that are divided and so must be wrong , i did not divide them, they followed other than the oNE truth by their own dcision... thus they make themselves look very bad indeed, but you want to blame me for their division, you are very unjust to me and for som reason want to exciuse their division, their losing sight of the spirit of truth ? ... please go attck them , not me in your rage, cos' they are they who are divided and have lost the truth...
Now you are getting just palin rude and have failed utterly to produce any evidence whatever for you violent unl;oving false judhgments of me... you raelly are not allowed this sort of unjustified rudeness here and it ain't christian... please stop , you are being offensive and not explaining even why...
So show me what is wrong with the scriptures I quoted, they are written by saints and prophets, not by me ...why don't you show me the scripture behind YOUR view ,and maybe then we will see who is mistaken [NOT LYING my firiend, just mistaken] ... but you don't do that... we may both eb wrong and be reproved by scripture, but your tirade of violent angry accusation helps no-one at all, does it ...
Well I hope that everyone reads the scriptues in depth, but it seems that they don't.... and you just keep asserting that you are right and I am wrong without producing a shred of scripture... it is meaningless my friend, I ahve quoted masses of scripture and tied it all together as one truth, from you nothing at all... now please put up or shut up, you are just being rude with no subatnce behind your words for discussion.... I donm't mind if you disagree, i don't miond being reproved from scripture, but you just do none of this and rant on with wild unsubstantiated accusatons which only express your disagreement without saying why.... please be civil , and please discuss by presenting evidence, not your un-christian rudeness
There something we agree about
That's three gods, unless you accept that God is spirit and thus His spirit is simply Himself, and that Jesus was God from the beginning [John 1] , in which case it is one, but by different names because of different roles or aspects of God
There the scripture disgarees with you Jesus will rule for all time in scripture, not just a thousand years
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Well you would, since you never checked the translation and saw that the words rendered as 'eteranl damnation' are better translated as age-lasting judgment ... a translation which fits all other scripture, which yoiurs does not.... God's words are ONE truth, you cannot ignoe the rest of scripture just because someone made a mess of translation of one word !!
Jesus went to hell ,and it was no big deal, he was out after but three nights ... and scripture assures us that hell will give up all its dead ... so ,as it says too ,death has no sting
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
--- So why are you afraid of hell? It ahs no sting if you believe the scripture
Well that I have discussed at length elsewhere, too much to recount again all the scripture here, but i do not disagree, those who die a second death for continued sin in the kingdom of God, do ened up in the fianl trial, the lake of 'fire' [fire only because God's truth is like a trial by fire to the wicked, just as the saints are tried by 'fire' by the wicked ways of most men in this world]
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
The important things we agree on. You cannot understand this because you have not been born of the Spirit as stated out of your own mouth. You keep speaking of a future salvation but the Kingdom of God is come unto you NOW. It began with Jesus.
Well I await your truths from scripture , by all menas begin, but all we had so far was un-christian venom that served no-one, not even yourself, and isn't eve tolerated here... where's you discussion and your scriptural evidence for your sheer nastiness in words that to you shows what a good chrsitain you are ?
Clearly Jesus isn't lord of all yet , since almost all men are sinners who disobey his command to love ... a lord is someone whose commands one obeys ... so Jesus is not lord of any sinner, and in fact says he will say that he never knew any sinner at his return and tell sinners to 'get lost' , these are his words , not mine, no use attacking me about them :-
Well you would, since you never checked the translation and saw that the words rendered as 'eteranl damnation' are better translated as age-lasting judgment ... a translation which fits all other scripture, which yoiurs does not.... God's words are ONE truth, you cannot ignoe the rest of scripture just because someone made a mess of translation of one word !!
Great ideaErwin, I love this site. I have put a lot into it over the last four years. It's been a blessing to me.
Some of the changes that have happened are good, but some need to go. Here's what I think needs to be done:
-Make the rules concrete. No more Wiki.
-Bring back the Niccene Creed.
-Make Staff Christian Only
What I like about the new site:
-Non-Christians can post with the Christians.
-The transparency (although I wouldn't mind a private forum for staff, it's not neccasary. PM's work. This way all members can see what happens in the super sekrit staff forum).
That's just my $.02
Agree! Except maybe for the 'make staff christain only' part.Here's what I think needs to be done:
-Make the rules concrete. No more Wiki.
-Bring back the Niccene Creed.
-Make Staff Christian Only
What I like about the new site:
-Non-Christians can post with the Christians.
-The transparency (although I wouldn't mind a private forum for staff, it's not neccasary. PM's work. This way all members can see what happens in the super sekrit staff forum).
And don't bring back the Nicene Creed!Agree! Except maybe for the 'make staff christain only' part.
Erwin said:I had to return to my roots. Just as returning to your first love for God is important, I had to return to why I started CF in the first place. The original vision for CF. The vision I have for CF has always been to unite ALL Christians on the Internet. Somehow, the site has ended up dividing some Christians, and caused strife in the body of Christ. It doesn't matter that our intention was good - it is the outcome that matters. Sure, CF has done a lot in the lives of many, but the Bible says:
Erwin said:CF is here for Christians on the Internet, and not the other way around. CF should not try to make Christians conform to what it believes to be Christian. Who am I to judge the heart of another man? I can't. CF should be a place of refuge, as ones who bear the name of the Lord, a strong tower for Christians to feel safe in. It should attract Christians because we raise Jesus up to draw all men unto him.
CF should also be a lighthouse in the wilderness, to be a good testimony to those who are not Christians instead of showing the world that Christians are actually worse than they are.
We must be the light, not the ones that block the light
Erwin said:Let's discuss the "new" CF. One thing to make clear is that these are things that I want happen, and that will happen, and whether staff or members agree with them or not, they are what I believe to be the right things to do. Some, maybe a lot, may disagree, but I believe it's time for a MAJOR paradigm shift at CF.
Erwin said:Unlike what people might have mistakenly expected, the "new" CF is NOT going to happen overnight.
It's going to happen in stages. However, there are mainly going to be 2 stages:
1. The first stage is the CULTURE change stage. This is going to start happening from TODAY but will be an ongoing process. This will involve:
a. Changing the site rules - simpler, less legalistic, and more open
b. Changing the way rules are developed or changed - wikify it! The rules process should be a member-initiated community-propelled, and consensus driven, not something that a minority can decide on.
c. Changing the way moderators are appointed - the members decide! There will be forum moderators, category moderators, and then super moderators. Members nominated, members vote, members appointed. Appointments are for a 12 months - at the end, can be renominated, or not. The power is with the people. And yes, if you are not a Christian, you can be on staff, if people vote for you to do so. The whole process will be open, transparent, and clear. What about current staff? They will all have to be renominated and voted in at some stage.
d. No more warnings. If God can forgive, so can we. Of course, consistent rule-breakers and trolls will still be banned, but hey, that's not going to be avoidable for any site. But not legitimate users.
e. No more restriction of forums for non-Christians - if a non-Christian can walk into a church, a non-Christian can walk and post in any forum here. Some forums may still have gender or age restrictions, but the whole side, as should be any Christian site, will now be totally [OPEN].
f. No more restriction of faith icons - who are we to tell you who you are or what you believe in? In fact, no other restrictions - if you want to call yourself married, go ahead. It is between you and God, not you and CF.
g. Related to the above, if you believe you are a Christian, you are. No more reliance on our own definition of what we think is a Christian. In the end, who are we to judge.
h. Transparent appeals of moderator actions in a much more simpler format - with member input allowed - in fact, the community has a say in all appeals. The way it should be. As the community has written the rules up in the end.
i. No more hidden moderator forums - in fact, no hidden forums at all (except trash forums). If we can read it, you can read it. What is there to hide? If it has to be private, it can be in a PM. This will mean more transparency from all people.
The above outlines the setup of the new rules. A lot of the above cannot happen overnight, and will require some work. But the aim is for culture change at CF.
Many people, including current staff, will not be happy with the above, and some will quit, leave or resign. I bear you no ill-will - you do what you think is right, I do what I think is right. Yes, some of the above changes are controversial, and in fact, radical. But it's time for a total new way of looking at CF. We want to unite all Christians. Not just some.
2. The second stage is the TECHNOLOGY change stage. This is going to start happening over the next MONTH as this will involve extensive recoding and even software replacement. New features will be added. Members would have noticed that we have hit a hiatus in terms of new features being added and CF has not had a new feature for a long time. Well, I am looking at changing this. In the past, I've been the only server administrator, webmaster and coder. I've outsourced the server administration part of things, but there is room to outsource other things. The software behind CF requires a lot of improvements, and this WILL occur. I won't say too much about them because the second stage will be the part that will be most visible and trust me, when it happens, it will be obvious.
In other words, stage one, the culture change, is the change of CF's heart and soul, while stage two, the technology change, is the change of CF's look and body. In my mind, stage one is by far the most important. Both stages are hard to do.
Stage one starts now. Stage two will occur later and will mean some significant functionality changes.
you surely owe me an apology
the problem is this...option 3.... what the site should be like when it is shortly changed... since the two option vote was a fiasco...
My vote is for Jesus to rule here by his law of love , with scripture as the written 'law' of love for the site...
then we have a standard truth for all discussions, a way of saying who believes and who does not which excludes no christians [as the previous method did]
we have a set of rules everyone knows who is a christian, and we need no mods because everyone who is a christian is loving [or else they admit they are not a christian] and all non-christians here by invitation can be forgiven [if they repent any unlovingness here]...
we thus get a loving open site in which outreach can continue, all are welcome to trial the faith of christians in perfection of our love following Jesus... and christians can begin the work of reproving all ddenominations, sects, and private interpretations to the scripture whilst practising being saints in the image of Jesus to become worthy of him by being as perfect in love as him :-
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
We shall then see who are chrstians by their fruits , as scripture exhorts us to do... those who are not loving are disobeying Jesus and he is thuis noit their lord... the scriptural test is better than asking people , it is a test by seeing how loving people relly are, whetehr they obey Jesus' command to love by doing it or not...
The scripure then is better than any creed devised by sinners, far better cos' God inspired it... one can have faith in love to run this site beacsue Jesus said it isthe ONLY way of life... if you ahve faith in Jesus then do what he said...it is obviosu then how a christian sute should be run, it is just a matter of doing it, proving that love works where all other ways have failed...
I appreciate the desire for some closue, but on the other hand I've only just been invited to the party after being banned from the site for 4 months under the old regime. I really wish the new push for reform would have initially prioritized a similar invitation to excluded members to return to the site.this discussion is STILL going on and on and on..
WHEN is Erwin gonna just make a decision??
And don't bring back the Nicene Creed!
Mine. It's the only one that could possibly be right.the problem is this...
WHOSE interpretation of scripture are we talking about????
Here, here!Return the Christians Only area
No forced icon changes, unless the violation is so obvious that its clear their choice to carry the icon is a deception to post in the CO areas.
Return the Open threads, where a person can choose whether or not they want to have the thread open to everyone.
No non-Christians on staff - and the voting should be done in private with all staff voting, not just the related team. In other words, return to the old process.
Continue with the transparency for the Conference Room, but not for reports. Upper staff should have a private section to hash out stuff before its presented to the public. Additionally there should be a time limit on reports - in other words, should be processed in a timely manner not lingering open for weeks.
Get rid of the wiki - its a flawed system for a site this large.
Let staff devise a better version of rules, based on their experience. There's a version I personally wrote up which combined murrons version, the most recent version, and all the CR and DR concerns raised. It was a little "wordy" but provided examples and guidelines so there was no room for staff interpretation and they were worded clearly so all members could understand - no legalese
Bring back the warnings and infractions, including the old Request for Edit, but make warnings and infractions appealable.
Let conciliator team have access to the staff forums and regular forums so they can truly work with both staff and members. Although they should sign confidentiality agreement and clearly defined roles.
Have an appeals review board - comprised on half staff and half members.
Congregational areas private to each denomination.
Return to the focus that staff are not Police, but need to focus on ministry and outreach.
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