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catholic*, (Mark 16: 15)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**.

Many protestants have trouble with these 2 issues not the trinity. Which is why a disclaimer was given here about those 2.

Angel4Truth said:

catholic*, (Mark 16: 15)

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins**.

Many protestants have trouble with these 2 issues not the trinity. Which is why a disclaimer was given here about those 2.

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I have that too ....
Disclaimer

*The word "catholic" refers not to the Roman Catholic Church, but to the universal church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

**This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

Inan3 said:

What we can definitely see with YOUR posts is that YOU VERY OBVIOUSLY do NOT know the truth.

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But I am the one quoting the scriptures, you are not doing so... what I write are not my own ideas ,but simply what the scripture I quote clearly says... if you think these scriptures are false, then OK, if you don't then why do you call them lies...

You continue to twist and pull scriptures out of context to fit with your own personal agenda.

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Stop ranting and show what you are talking about, I have no agenda except presenting the scriptures ... so if you disagree, show me the scriptures , not you mealy untrue assertions without any foundation being presented so taht I have a chance to show you your misunderstanding

And while you say you have no agenda...you do....it is to make Christians look bad and wrong.

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It is the churches that are divided and so must be wrong , i did not divide them, they followed other than the oNE truth by their own dcision... thus they make themselves look very bad indeed, but you want to blame me for their division, you are very unjust to me and for som reason want to exciuse their division, their losing sight of the spirit of truth ? ... please go attck them , not me in your rage, cos' they are they who are divided and have lost the truth...

Oh....you throw in enough of your love jargon to throw people off but you reveal your true spirit by the lies and accusations that you continue to spue in just about all of your posts.

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Now you are getting just palin rude and have failed utterly to produce any evidence whatever for you violent unl;oving false judhgments of me... you raelly are not allowed this sort of unjustified rudeness here and it ain't christian... please stop , you are being offensive and not explaining even why...

You give no foundation for what you say about Christians and don't kid yourself, the scriptures you interject do not prove that you know what you are talking about they only prove you do not!

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So show me what is wrong with the scriptures I quoted, they are written by saints and prophets, not by me ...why don't you show me the scripture behind YOUR view ,and maybe then we will see who is mistaken [NOT LYING my firiend, just mistaken] ... but you don't do that... we may both eb wrong and be reproved by scripture, but your tirade of violent angry accusation helps no-one at all, does it ...

I hope that those reading your posts will not just take them as true but they will search the scriptures that you give and see that you have taken them out of context just a the devil did when he tried to tempt the Lord in the wilderness.

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Well I hope that everyone reads the scriptues in depth, but it seems that they don't.... and you just keep asserting that you are right and I am wrong without producing a shred of scripture... it is meaningless my friend, I ahve quoted masses of scripture and tied it all together as one truth, from you nothing at all... now please put up or shut up, you are just being rude with no subatnce behind your words for discussion.... I donm't mind if you disagree, i don't miond being reproved from scripture, but you just do none of this and rant on with wild unsubstantiated accusatons which only express your disagreement without saying why.... please be civil , and please discuss by presenting evidence, not your un-christian rudeness

I am speaking the truth in love and will continue to do so. I hope that one day you will repent and give your life to Jesus. I have shared the way enough for you to know what to do.

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again , an interesting assertion wiith no evidence ,what use is it here ?

As far as the differences in Christiandom. One thing we all believe is that Jesus Christ is Lord of all.

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Clearly Jesus isn't lord of all yet , since almost all men are sinners who disobey his command to love ... a lord is someone whose commands one obeys ... so Jesus is not lord of any sinner, and in fact says he will say that he never knew any sinner at his return and tell sinners to 'get lost' , these are his words , not mine, no use attacking me about them :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world.

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There something we agree about

We believe that God is One God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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That's three gods, unless you accept that God is spirit and thus His spirit is simply Himself, and that Jesus was God from the beginning [John 1] , in which case it is one, but by different names because of different roles or aspects of God

We believe that one day Jesus will come back and rule and reign for a thousand years.

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There the scripture disgarees with you Jesus will rule for all time in scripture, not just a thousand years

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

We believe that if you accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour you are saved from eternal damnation

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Well you would, since you never checked the translation and saw that the words rendered as 'eteranl damnation' are better translated as age-lasting judgment ... a translation which fits all other scripture, which yoiurs does not.... God's words are ONE truth, you cannot ignoe the rest of scripture just because someone made a mess of translation of one word !!

but if you do not you will go to Hell

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Jesus went to hell ,and it was no big deal, he was out after but three nights ... and scripture assures us that hell will give up all its dead ... so ,as it says too ,death has no sting

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

1 Corinthians 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

--- So why are you afraid of hell? It ahs no sting if you believe the scripture

and eventually the Lake of Fire which is the second death.

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Well that I have discussed at length elsewhere, too much to recount again all the scripture here, but i do not disagree, those who die a second death for continued sin in the kingdom of God, do ened up in the fianl trial, the lake of 'fire' [fire only because God's truth is like a trial by fire to the wicked, just as the saints are tried by 'fire' by the wicked ways of most men in this world]

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

The important things we agree on. You cannot understand this because you have not been born of the Spirit as stated out of your own mouth. You keep speaking of a future salvation but the Kingdom of God is come unto you NOW. It began with Jesus.

As you can see I am not a xenaphopiac. I am not afraid of strangers. As you continue to spue out lies I will continure to speak the truth about them.

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Well I await your truths from scripture , by all menas begin, but all we had so far was un-christian venom that served no-one, not even yourself, and isn't eve tolerated here... where's you discussion and your scriptural evidence for your sheer nastiness in words that to you shows what a good chrsitain you are ?

SIDE NOTE: YES Faith IS up to us to act on. Jesus spoke often about individuals faith. He spoke of little faith and great faith. He said it was according to our faith.

Mat 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great [is] thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Mat 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Mar 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, BUT SHALL BELIEVE that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.


Please note the number of times Jesus said, THY FAITH hath made thee whole in the following scriptures!


Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.

Mar 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Luk 8:48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.

Luk 17:19 And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole.

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Well I agree, but find it hard to see what point here in these things ...

While it is true that GOD has freely given unto every Christian the MEASURE of faith (Rom 12:3), it is equally true that He expects us then to build on it by feeding on the Word of God.

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Now you made that one up, the bible says nothing about building faith from yoiurself by studying scripture .... it says faith is NOT from ourself at all, but comes from God as a given thing , a gift :-

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. (Rom 10:17) Desire the sincere milk of the Word that you may grow thereby. (1Pet 2:2)

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Certainly one grows as a person in ceasing to sin when given faith, but faith is whatever God gives, one cannot add to it from oneself , Paul makes that clear [above]

As an example, the spirit leads saints into all truth in spirit baptism, their faith is given that enables them to defeat all Satan's wiles and thus cease to sin ... but most christians go through thsi life as sinners , not saints and die sinners, unperfected in love and not ready to serve as priests in the kingdom of God ... It is God then who chooses how much faith is given, no-one can add to it from themselves... no-one can become a saint since God has said who the 144,000 saints of this earth are ...Rev 7:3-8 and they are all from tribal Israel because of His promises to Moses aand Jacob , handed down through a single line of Hebrews to alight on Israel... but israel rebelled againts their old covenant, so god made a new unconditional covenant with them [Heb 8:8-12] , note that it is only with those whose fathers broke the old covanant, not with anyone else...

As for xenophobia, I think I prefer it to your downright rudeness and unjustified ranting at me ... you suirelky owe me an apology and to not let the sun go down on you insane rage :-

Colossians 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

I know that some people don't like it when I include a lot of scriptures but it really isn't important what I have to say or anyone else but it is important that you hear the TRUTH and the scriptures ARE truth!

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So why do you ignore the one's I point out to you ?

So I suggest you Read those that I have included so you will not be deceived by the lies that others are trying to perpetrate here against chrisitanity.

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Again you are being unbearably rude ,it is unloving and simply not allowed here to accuse people of lying ... people do make mistakes, but most people are sincere when sayoing what the scripture says to them... it is just insane to call them liars just because you see things differently or have been taught by sinners to see things their way ...

The scripture is very familiar to me, I have scourde it for some thirty years in intense study, prayer, yearning for truth, medutation and fasting.... I cannot quote it all , so please be civil and allow some discussion without you binsane accusations and judgmentalism, which really do you no credit and help no-one...

That's three gods, unless you accept that God is spirit and thus His spirit is simply Himself, and that Jesus was God from the beginning [John 1] , in which case it is one, but by different names because of different roles or aspects of God

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We accept that all three are essences of the One Being

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God.

One little word changes the definition and context of that sentence altogether

Let's Take Matt 7 in context shall we

Mat 7:16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

He is talking about the Day of Judgement

That does not mean that He is not our Lord now !!!!!

By their fruits is how we shall know our fellow Brethren

RaggedRobin said:

The Nicene Creed does nothing more than affirm the Trinitarian nature of God and is completely Biblical in application

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But, your church, and another, possibly a few more... insists that the Trinity be understood on your terms.

While I was being banned from posting in the Christian section of CF for not agreeing with the Creed, I received a PM from a member who is studying for the ministry. He inquired why I was branding a "Searcher Tag" since I understood the Trinity better than he even did.

Guess what? It was because I did not follow the Creed in the manner your church tells me I am to.

While I was making an appeal. The one mediating for me told me that I understand the Trinity better than most. But? I did not agree with the Creed on some points according to how its to be interpreted. Then what? Erwin made his announcement, and I'm back bearing the Cross.

What we need is a Forum Statement of Faith that removes all denominational claim to a copyrite interpretation. We all have to agree Jesus Christ is God. Not that it must be seen that Mary is the mother of God, if one is to believe Jesus is God.

God is Eternal in nature. Always existing. Never was a time he did not exist. Yet? Certain ones were telling me I must believe Mary gave birth to God before I agreed with the Creed. The one who created what birth is? Could be born?

The problem was with interpretation. Not, belief! Jesus was both man and God. Mary could only give birth to Jesus, not God. Yet, Jesus and God are One. I was banned because some could not sort that out.

We need a Statement of Faith. Not the Creed itself as our statement of faith. Baptism for the remission of sins is anathema in many Protestant churches. Its not a universal Creed for all who believe in the Trinity and salvation by grace.

Genz wow im sorry to hear that because i dont see anything in the creed that says you must beleive that Mary is the mother of God. I couldnt agree to that myself. God includes the Holy Spirit and the Father.

what are we arguing about now?

genez said:

But, your church, and another, possibly a few more... insists that the Trinity be understood on your terms.

While I was being banned from posting in the Christian section of CF for not agreeing with the Creed, I received a PM from a member who is studying for the ministry. He inquired why I was branding a "Searcher Tag" since I understood the Trinity better than he even did.

Guess what? It was because I did not follow the Creed in the manner your church tells me I am to.

While I was making an appeal. The one mediating for me told me that I understand the Trinity better than most. But? I did not agree with the Creed on some points according to how its to be interpreted. Then what? Erwin made his announcement, and I'm back bearing the Cross.

What we need is a Forum Statement of Faith that removes all denominational claim to a copyrite interpretation. We all have to agree Jesus Christ is God. Not that it must be seen that Mary is the mother of God, if one is to believe Jesus is God.

God is Eternal in nature. Always existing. Never was a time he did not exist. Yet? Certain ones were telling me I must believe Mary gave birth to God before I agreed with the Creed. The one who created what birth is? Could be born?

The problem was with interpretation. Not, belief! Jesus was both man and God. Mary could only give birth to Jesus, not God. Yet, Jesus and God are One. I was banned because some could not sort that out.

We need a Statement of Faith. Not the Creed itself as our statement of faith. Baptism for the remission of sins is anathema in many Protestant churches. Its not a universal Creed for all who believe in the Trinity and salvation by grace.

In Christ, GeneZ​

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And people wonder why Erwin ditched the old system...

genez said:

But, your church, and another, possibly a few more... insists that the Trinity be understood on your terms.

While I was being banned from posting in the Christian section of CF for not agreeing with the Creed, I received a PM from a member who is studying for the ministry. He inquired why I was branding a "Searcher Tag" since I understood the Trinity better than he even did.

Guess what? It was because I did not follow the Creed in the manner your church tells me I am to.

While I was making an appeal. The one mediating for me told me that I understand the Trinity better than most. But? I did not agree with the Creed on some points according to how its to be interpreted. Then what? Erwin made his announcement, and I'm back bearing the Cross.

What we need is a Forum Statement of Faith that removes all denominational claim to a copyrite interpretation. We all have to agree Jesus Christ is God. Not that it must be seen that Mary is the mother of God, if one is to believe Jesus is God.

God is Eternal in nature. Always existing. Never was a time he did not exist. Yet? Certain ones were telling me I must believe Mary gave birth to God before I agreed with the Creed. The one who created what birth is? Could be born?

The problem was with interpretation. Not, belief! Jesus was both man and God. Mary could only give birth to Jesus, not God. Yet, Jesus and God are One. I was banned because some could not sort that out.

We need a Statement of Faith. Not the Creed itself as our statement of faith. Baptism for the remission of sins is anathema in many Protestant churches. Its not a universal Creed for all who believe in the Trinity and salvation by grace.

In Christ, GeneZ
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I am sorry to hear this genez I didn't know that is why your Christian Icon was taken from you...

There are many that do not necessarily believe that Mary is the Mother of God and it has been hotly debated on these forums even after they took your icon from you. So by this then all those people should have had their icons stripped too.

Yes I do believe it but it is a subject that many still believe is up for debating among Protestants, and thre is nothing in the Creed that should have disqualified you as long as you believed that she gave birth to him

genez said:

But, your church, and another, possibly a few more... insists that the Trinity be understood on your terms.

While I was being banned from posting in the Christian section of CF for not agreeing with the Creed, I received a PM from a member who is studying for the ministry. He inquired why I was branding a "Searcher Tag" since I understood the Trinity better than he even did.

Guess what? It was because I did not follow the Creed in the manner your church tells me I am to.

While I was making an appeal. The one mediating for me told me that I understand the Trinity better than most. But? I did not agree with the Creed on some points according to how its to be interpreted. Then what? Erwin made his announcement, and I'm back bearing the Cross.

What we need is a Forum Statement of Faith that removes all denominational claim to a copyrite interpretation. We all have to agree Jesus Christ is God. Not that it must be seen that Mary is the mother of God, if one is to believe Jesus is God.

God is Eternal in nature. Always existing. Never was a time he did not exist. Yet? Certain ones were telling me I must believe Mary gave birth to God before I agreed with the Creed. The one who created what birth is? Could be born?

The problem was with interpretation. Not, belief! Jesus was both man and God. Mary could only give birth to Jesus, not God. Yet, Jesus and God are One. I was banned because some could not sort that out.

We need a Statement of Faith. Not the Creed itself as our statement of faith. Baptism for the remission of sins is anathema in many Protestant churches. Its not a universal Creed for all who believe in the Trinity and salvation by grace.

In Christ, GeneZ
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Way to take a stand, GeneZ !

We need a Statement of Faith

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Surely the bible is a good enough statement of faith to start from, then we can begin the work of REPROVING all 'faiths' in religion to the scripture...

Why can we do that when so many disagree what it means? ... simply because scripture asserts that it DOES expain itself, that it is NOT subjevt to ANY interpretation [as religion provides countless false interpretations then] :-

2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Once all men are baptised by God as He promises to do sometime [Joel 2:28] , then all will come to know all truth of God [John 16:13] and there will be no disagreement since all learned fron God His one truth :-

Hebrews 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

There is actually then no problem except that religionists are trying to jump the gun and refuse to patiently wait until God has fulfilled His promise to yiield all truth to all men...

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

The irony then of the mad rush to declare oneself 'saved' [and worse to declare others who are equal sinners 'unsaved' or 'unbelievers' ] is that God has the will to save all men [above scripture] and the means to do so [by His truth] so it is only a question of when [and men mostly have that wrong, cannot even wait long enough to derive it from the scripture before rushing out to tell the world they are 'saved' by listening to sinners talking soothsayings :-

Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

kimber1 said:

what are we arguing about now?

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Almost anything that can be argued about? That's what it looks like to me.

Tim

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**This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

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I can be seen that way because of what Scripture teaches.

But, the term, remission of sins holds only one meaning.

The Creed is in error on that point. The church is not infallible as some claim it to be. It is. No where does Scripture teach about remission of sins by water baptism.

Remission leaves no room for how to say it can be interpreted. One must look outside the Creed to get that interpretation. Some believe they were saved at infant baptism. That is wrong thinking.

genez I am not going to argue over this in here because I am Catholic, I think your approach totally inappropriate for this thread.

I have agreed with you that your icon should not have been stripped ... that was appropriate for this thread.

The rules always had this
**This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

Therefore my Catholic theology has nothing to do with this thread and i will not get into a theological discussion just for the heck of it in here when we are discussing solving an issue, not discussing what my Church believes or doesn't believe the Creed says and how it should be interpreted.

The fact remains that is not the way it was nor is being advocated for use now

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There are many that do not necessarily believe that Mary is the Mother of God and it has been hotly debated on these forums even after they took your icon from you. So by this then all those people should have had their icons stripped too.

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They could have.

There is one difference though. I dared to categorically refute many of the most cherished and adored traditions held by certain moderators (who were not all moderators when I did this).

Not only refute them. Stick them in an infuriating corner because they could not refute my arguments.

So? Over time? Slowly but surely they carefully built their case. And, when they had enough for a majority vote? Blammm! You're out!

Yes I do believe it but it is a subject that many still believe is up for debating among Protestants, and thre is nothing in the Creed that should have disqualified you as long as you believed that she gave birth to him

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Not... according to your church "tradition." Mary not only gave birth to Jesus. But, gave birth to God. That is part of the interpretation of the Creed as it was intended when it was written. Just like the baptismal remission of sins.

And? add to that? I had to believe God DIED on the Cross. For Jesus died on the Cross. And, he is God!

Yet? Jesus was both fully man, and fully God. But, that did not matter to them. What mattered was how Church tradition tells us to interpret. Never mind what Scripture tells us if it disagrees. The Church is right always.

Tell me?

If you did not know church tradition?


Could you believe that Eternal, immortal God can die? How?




Your church has some serious problems in what it tells you to believe. And, the biggest problem is, is that it can not be wrong once it says something is right.

I know. I was not first booted out because I do not know Jesus is God. But, not as your church tradition dictates how I should see it.

Enuf said.,, Read your Bible for yourself and learn who God is for yourself! Get a translation in contemporary English.

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genez I am not going to argue over this in here because I am Catholic, I think your approach totally inappropriate for this thread.

I have agreed with you that your icon should not have been stripped ... that was appropriate for this thread.

The rules always had this
**This can be interpreted to mean that baptism is a matter of obedience and not a requirement for salvation or a regenerating ordinance.

Therefore my Catholic theology has nothing to do with this thread and i will not get into a theological discussion just for the heck of it in here when we are discussing solving an issue, not discussing what my Church believes or doesn't believe the Creed says and how it should be interpreted.

The fact remains that is not the way it was nor is being advocated for use now

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The ** were added, because when the Creed was written up? Church authorities did not have enough Scriptural understanding to see how wrong that was to believe.

Yet? They DID declare it to be truth for salvation!

That is why the Creed in itself should not be used as a final word on what it covers. For if they could believe baptismal remission of sins? It reveals painfully that they did not even begin to understand salvation by faith and grace! It reveals that they were not as deep in understanding God's Word as some here paint the picture that they were. There was still much to grow and to understand in a better and more detailed way.

The Creed ... if its to be used..... should only be required to be in agreement as it appears on surface value. Not, on how one must interpret it to come to the same conclusion.

In other words? Using the same points found in the Creed? Create a Statement of Faith for the Forum. Do not even mention the words "catholic" and baptism. And, do not require to have the same interpretive means to come to the same conclusion.

Here is how it went wrong.......





The Word was God. Correct?

Correct!




That makes Jesus to be both God and man - in union!

Now? If I believe that by faith?

I believe in the Deity of Christ. Period!


If I can not believe God can die?

And, not believe that God can not be born?

I do not believe according to the mind set of those who wrote the Creed!

I believe in the Deity of Christ. But? That was not to be good enough. They needed me to be out of their face. So? They used the Creed Gimmick to lock me out.

And... I was not the only one.

Those other Protestants yet weak in faith? They had no need to get away from them. These they wanted where they were, so they can try to convert them to their thinking. After all, they do believe they are the one true Church. But? Guys like me made that impossible. So, move him out!

There was a vast majority of moderators who were like I just spoke of when they finally booted me. They had the majority vote. So, I see it as the Lord's sense of humor that now atheists and pagans are now being used to replace them... with the understanding that they can do just as good a job!

In one sense? They can do just as good a job. That's the Lord's sense of humor!

What we need are grace oriented believers moderating as a majority.

If not? We may as well rename this place the "Religion Forum."

Please take theological debate and discussion to a more appropriate forum.

Thank you.

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what are we arguing about now?

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option 3.... what the site should be like when it is shortly changed... since the two option vote was a fiasco...

My vote is for Jesus to rule here by his law of love , with scripture as the written 'law' of love for the site...

then we have a standard truth for all discussions, a way of saying who believes and who does not which excludes no christians [as the previous method did]

we have a set of rules everyone knows who is a christian, and we need no mods because everyone who is a christian is loving [or else they admit they are not a christian] and all non-christians here by invitation can be forgiven [if they repent any unlovingness here]...

we thus get a loving open site in which outreach can continue, all are welcome to trial the faith of christians in perfection of our love following Jesus... and christians can begin the work of reproving all ddenominations, sects, and private interpretations to the scripture whilst practising being saints in the image of Jesus to become worthy of him by being as perfect in love as him :-

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We shall then see who are chrstians by their fruits , as scripture exhorts us to do... those who are not loving are disobeying Jesus and he is thuis noit their lord... the scriptural test is better than asking people , it is a test by seeing how loving people relly are, whetehr they obey Jesus' command to love by doing it or not...

The scripure then is better than any creed devised by sinners, far better cos' God inspired it... one can have faith in love to run this site beacsue Jesus said it isthe ONLY way of life... if you ahve faith in Jesus then do what he said...it is obviosu then how a christian sute should be run, it is just a matter of doing it, proving that love works where all other ways have failed...