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Why? They don't have to teach religion to teach gym - or Math - or Reading . . . .Wow. Then, genuinely, I'm astonished. I've never once been to a Christian school where the staff didn't reflect that. To be honest, I think that's incredibly remiss of them.
Their *reason* may vary, be it poor treatement by other Christians, re-analysis of the "evidence", etc, but rejecting Christianity boils down to rejecting Christ.
No, they have to affirm and support the goals of the school, which is to educate and raise children within a Christian environment.Why? They don't have to teach religion to teach gym - or Math - or Reading . . . .
People can hold Christian values without being a Christian.No, they have to affirm and support the goals of the school, which is to educate and raise children within a Christian environment.
They need certain knowledge and beliefs that come with being a Christian.
I disagree. People can, of course, be - and are - moral without being Christian, but Christian values encompasses accepting the gift of Grace, and understanding you're a child of the Most High. Christian values includes knowing that all of this is for Him, and that this world isn't our home. Non-Christians find that way of thinking nuts. We differ fundamentally.People can hold Christian values without being a Christian.
People can hold Christian values without being a Christian.
People can hold Christian values without being a Christian.
Anything less than that is merely eirenism under another name.
This attitude of "peace at all costs" with heretics and schismatics, regardless of the points of doctrine which separate us, was condemned by Pope Pius XII in 1950 under the name of eirenism.
These advocate an "eirenism" according to which, by setting aside the questions which divide men, they aim not only at joining forces to repel the attacks of atheism, but also at reconciling things opposed to one another in the field of dogma (Humani Generis, no. 11).
11. Another danger is perceived which is all the more serious because it is more concealed beneath the mask of virtue. There are many who, deploring disagreement among men and intellectual confusion, through an imprudent zeal for souls, are urged by a great and ardent desire to do away with the barrier that divides good and honest men; these advocate an "eirenism" according to which, by setting aside the questions which divide men, they aim not only at joining forces to repel the attacks of atheism, but also at reconciling things opposed to one another in the field of dogma. And as in former times some questioned whether the traditional apologetics of the Church did not constitute an obstacle rather than a help to the winning of souls for Christ, so today some are presumptive enough to question seriously whether theology and theological methods, such as with the approval of ecclesiastical authority are found in our schools, should not only be perfected, but also completely reformed, in order to promote the more efficacious propagation of the kingdom of Christ everywhere throughout the world among men of every culture and religious opinion.
this is why my Brother answered in this FashionInteresting.... If "eirenism" were adhered to?
Many without Christ could easily think they do not need salvation.
Grace and truth, GeneZ
I advocate, and will continue to advocate, a return to the Nicene Creed as the standard of orthodoxy and the traditional Christian morality as shared by our forefathers for thousands of years as the best way to be the light to the world that CF yearns to be.
Anything less than that is merely eirenism under another name.
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I'm not a guest, I'm a member. Think of it like a naturalised immigrant
- I may not be a Christian, but I like to think I'm part of CF.
For the record, I think that if you were a regular and respected contributor to an atheist site, you'd be welcome to moderate.
You'd never get an Austrian as governor of a US state, would you...
Seriously, though. I wouldn't dream of suggesting anyone moderate a subforum where they're not a regular, respected and valued contributor.
I'm not proposing some sort of "atheist invasion". For example, I can't see anyone from outside a particular denomination moderating (or wanting to moderate) that demon's fellowship board.
On the other hand, many of the debate boards (Ethics, GA, CrEvo) and others (like the UK board) have long-term non-Christian contributors who are respected by Christians and non-Christians alike.
Are you saying that their lack of faith would make them less able to moderate the part of the community where they are known and respected?
However, there are two things to unpick there. Firstly, acceptable behaviour is laid down by the rules, not by whether the mod is offended.
The rules should definitely have a Christian basis, as it's a Christian site. Furthermore, if something is offensive to Christians but the mod misses it, anyone offended will point it out in the report.
Secondly, the general tone and level of acceptable debate is something the mod will know from being a regular contributor to the subforum, not from his or her faith.
That's big of you. I don't actually want to moderate anything - I don't think I've been here anywhere near long enough to have earned that right. However, if I stick around long enough, I think I should be able to apply to be a moderator on one of the areas I frequent - and the success of the application should be based on whether I'd do a good job as a moderator.
I disagree. People can, of course, be - and are - moral without being Christian, but Christian values encompasses accepting the gift of Grace, and understanding you're a child of the Most High. Christian values includes knowing that all of this is for Him, and that this world isn't our home. Non-Christians find that way of thinking nuts. We differ fundamentally.
In contrast, the mandates to Christians may be pleasing as well. But, God will throw tests at us to see if we are simply following them in the energy of the flesh (as the world does with its values) or, if we are being as we should be supernaturally, by grace.
I advocate, and will continue to advocate, a return to the Nicene Creed as the standard of orthodoxy and the traditional Christian morality as shared by our forefathers for thousands of years as the best way to be the light to the world that CF yearns to be.
Anything less than that is merely eirenism under another name.
You'd do a good job according to the limitations that being an atheist can see.
Jesus is both God and man. An Atheists can not be both an unbeliever, and believer.
He can not be both spiritually alive, and spiritually dead.
When you can master that? Then it may be up for consideration. Then you can be truly an Atheist who is a good moderator in a Christian forum. For you could objectively understand both sides.
You're either calling me a gnostic or a walrus, or a gnostic walrus... either way, not pleased.Summon the Walruses of Orthodoxy!
I smell Gnosticism!
I'm joking around with this example, but I have a serious point: Enforcement of orthodoxy has in the past led CF Staff to having to make decisions like this.
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