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What "Transitional" Means in Real Science

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I finally found a true transitional...

 
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Those are transitional in exactly the same way we are discussing. That you haven't figured this out yet says a lot. You never assume nor conclude common ancestry or evolution simply because there are transitional fossils. It is the PATTERN of transitional fossils that evidences evolution. If you included other mixtures of utensil features you would find that they don't form a nested hierarchy. That is what allows you to say that utensils did not evolve through common ancestry. However, transitional fossils of past species DO form a nested hierarchy, and it is that pattern which evidences common ancestry and evolution.
 
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What if God only created a few animals like a canine, a feline, a serpent, an equestrian, a pachyderm, ect... and then through selective breeding or natural selection the number of subspecies multuplied? Kinda like how we got so many different dog breeds.
 
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That's actually what many creationists believe in order to explain the problem of too many species to fit on the ark. A sort of hyper-evolution, in a condensed amount of time.
 
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That's actually what many creationists believe in order to explain the problem of too many species to fit on the ark. A sort of hyper-evolution, in a condensed amount of time.
Well, when we look at the number of new dog breeds in the last 100 years...
 
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You might want to read up on fossilization before repeating the "millions of fossils" PRATT.
 
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How about this?
Monotremes are a perfect example of transitional forms. They have fur and rudimentary mammary glands, but possess a cloaca and lay eggs.

Modern eutherians did not evolve from modern montremes though.
 
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Well, when we look at the number of new dog breeds in the last 100 years...
Artificial selection and cross-breading is the opposite of how natural selection works.
 
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Transitional, but not for the reasons you think. The similarity of the bill to the one from ducks is extremely superficial. The bone structure underneath is completely different.

As to the other features, the monotremes are transitional because they have a mixture of features from reptiles and placental mammals. For example, they lay leathery eggs and have a cloaca like reptiles. They have fur and produce milk like placental mammals.
 
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Why would those initial animals fall into a nested hierarchy?
 
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It's already been explained to you....COMMON CREATOR.
 
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