What should happen to Alex Jones?

Sparagmos · Aug 8, 2022

Landon Caeli said:
Thoughts have consequences just as much as speech does... There's no denying it.

Did I deny that? Why is that important to you to mention?

zippy2006 · Aug 9, 2022

Saucy said:
How long will it be before most Christian thought is considered a hate crime and deemed illegal?

public hermit said:
Friend, your conscious space is between you and the ever-present Creator. No one can take from us the ubiquitous, divine presence. That is absolutely not the problem.

Saucy's point is much more accurate here, and PH is dodging all of the obvious problems with his view. The idea that Christians can think whatever they like so long as they keep their mouths shut and do not evangelize is not a Christian view, nor is it anything near free speech, nor does it represent a rational understanding of human nature, for humans are by nature social creatures who share their ideas and beliefs.

To pretend that the problem of free speech doesn't matter in general, or doesn't matter for Christians or religions, is just willful ignorance. There is nothing reasonable about it.

zippy2006 · Aug 9, 2022

DaisyDay said:
Is that the Tolerance Paradox thing?

Perhaps, could you say more?

My point is that it is hypocritical to hate someone because of their hatred, and Jesus was opposed to such a disposition. Given, then, that the OP is fairly clearly motivated by a hatred for Alex Jones, we have an instance of precisely that sort of hypocrisy.

This can also occur with tolerance (and often does on the Left), but the problem there is rather that the Left is unable to admit the simple truth that tolerance is not an absolute value. Therefore that is a more mild form of hypocrisy. (And surely if someone holds to a 'tolerance paradox' then they are not holding tolerance as an absolute value.)

public hermit · Aug 9, 2022

zippy2006 said:
But by your own definitions, you are the one supporting hate. In the past you have argued that to put a criminal to death is hateful and hypocritical, and that for God to condemn to Hell is similarly hateful. But you wish great evil to befall Alex Jones, and you made a thread to stir up hatred against him. Are you not, then, the one supporting hate?

I unclicked "ignore" to view content because I no longer goad and provoke. I did not see anything worth my time.

IceJad · Aug 10, 2022

DaisyDay said:
I realize that I as an American bear responsibility for actions committed by my government whether I knew or approved of them.

No, you are mistaken. I am not applying every crime by others to him. He harassed and lied and incited his followers to do the same. Not every crime or every action.

It doesn't take much agility to see the incitement here. He told egregious lies about private people who never did him any harm. He purposefully agitated his followers. He knew what they were doing and continued to stoke their anger and fear with lies.

What he said was not to his detriment - he made enormous profits. The "by association" is a straw man that you keep repeating.

His incitement is his.

I guess you missed the point. The point is regardless what your president did it is not your fault. There is no such thing as by association crime. Everyone is liable for the crime they themselves have committed. Same goes with Alex Jones and his followers.

DaisyDay · Aug 10, 2022

IceJad said:
I guess you missed the point. The point is regardless what your president did it is not your fault. There is no such thing as by association crime. Everyone is liable for the crime they themselves have committed. Same goes with Alex Jones and his followers.

I got your point but I obviously disagree with it.

DaisyDay · Aug 10, 2022

zippy2006 said:
Perhaps, could you say more?

My point is that it is hypocritical to hate someone because of their hatred, and Jesus was opposed to such a disposition. Given, then, that the OP is fairly clearly motivated by a hatred for Alex Jones, we have an instance of precisely that sort of hypocrisy.

This can also occur with tolerance (and often does on the Left), but the problem there is rather that the Left is unable to admit the simple truth that tolerance is not an absolute value. Therefore that is a more mild form of hypocrisy. (And surely if someone holds to a 'tolerance paradox' then they are not holding tolerance as an absolute value.)

I disagree that Jones hates anyone or is motivated by hate. He seems opportunistic and unconcerned by what his actions wreak on already suffering people.

ruthiesea · Aug 11, 2022

Saucy said:
I don't like what he did. I do not agree with him. But I do not think he should be punished. His statements fall under the protection of the 1st Amendment, so I hope he appeals and wins.

Libel and slander are not covered by freedom of speech. Like every other right it is not an absolute right with no restrictions.

HARK! · Aug 11, 2022

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