What must you do to inherit eternal life?

Sentry · Nov 17, 2005

Seems there is some lack of knowledge around here concerning this one too:

And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?"

And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

And Jesus said to him, "You have answered CORRECTLY; DO THIS, and you will LIVE."

Keep reading the rest of the passage to see HOW to love your neighbor so you might gain eternal life.

Sentry · Nov 17, 2005

Sentry said:
Seems there is some lack of knowledge around here concerning this one too:

And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?"

And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

And Jesus said to him, "You have answered CORRECTLY; DO THIS, and you will LIVE."

Keep reading the rest of the passage to see HOW to love your neighbor so you might gain eternal life.

Hey Auggie, what contrivance do you have for this one?

depthdeception · Nov 17, 2005

Sentry said:
Seems there is some lack of knowledge around here concerning this one too:

And behold, a lawyer stood up to put him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read?"

And he answered, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself."

And Jesus said to him, "You have answered CORRECTLY; DO THIS, and you will LIVE."

Keep reading the rest of the passage to see HOW to love your neighbor so you might gain eternal life.

What? You mean you don't have to be elect? LoL! I hear the Calvinist guard on their way!

RedTulipMom · Nov 18, 2005

Sentry...would you mind giving the actual scripture you quoted so we can look it up to read the whole passage? thanks!

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

karenmarie said:
Sentry...would you mind giving the actual scripture you quoted so we can look it up to read the whole passage? thanks!

It is Luke 10:25 ff. He doesn't seem to know how to give the reference.

DevotiontoBible · Nov 18, 2005

The question in title of the OP "What must you do to inherit eternal life?" is answered by Jesus:

Matthew 19:17 (NLT)
"... you can receive eternal life if you keep the commandments."

1 Cor. 7:19 (NLT)
For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments.

Rev. 12:17 (NLT)
Then the dragon became angry at the woman, and he declared war against the rest of her childrenall who keep God's commandments and confess that they belong to Jesus.

Pretty straight forward language.

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

The lawyer is Sentry thinking he has all the answers and is smater than anyone else. He asks questions to bait because he is a master at it. His whole intention is to try and trap and show he is greater than the one who has truth. He only desires to make himself look good before his fellow religionists.

Jesus is the one who has truth and gives an answer that is rejected by the baiter and is baited again.

Of course this isn't what the passage is meant to teach but it does seem to fit.

DevotiontoBible · Nov 18, 2005

Sentry said:
DO THIS, ...."

Do what? show mercy

Luke 10:37 (NLT)
The man replied, "The one who showed him mercy."
Srongs-eleos compassion (human or divine, especially active) :- (+ tender) mercy.

Sentry · Nov 18, 2005

mlqurgw said:
The lawyer is Sentry thinking he has all the answers and is smater than anyone else. He asks questions to bait because he is a master at it. His whole intention is to try and trap and show he is greater than the one who has truth. He only desires to make himself look good before his fellow religionists.

Jesus is the one who has truth and gives an answer that is rejected by the baiter and is baited again.

Of course this isn't what the passage is meant to teach but it does seem to fit.

One of the most amusing things I have found about Calvinists is that they like to claim that being cornered with the truth is a "trap." Trapped by truth - oh the horror.

At Luke 10:25-28 we see Jesus plainly teaching that loving God and neighbor is what must be done to inherit eternal life.

At this point the usual Calvinist will divert his attention away from this passage and pretend it does not exist and run to other passages that he hopes appeals to his creed better.

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

Sentry said:
One of the most amusing things I have found about Calvinists is that they like to claim that being cornered with the truth is a "trap." Trapped by truth - oh the horror.

At Luke 10:25-28 we see Jesus plainly teaching that loving God and neighbor is what must be done to inherit eternal life.

At this point the usual Calvinist will divert his attention away from this passage and pretend it does not exist and run to other passages that he hopes appeals to his creed better.

The rich young ruler asked the same question as this lawyer and was given the same answer. Jesus is pointing the lawyer to the law to show him his inability to keep it. That is the whole point of the parable that follows.

Sentry · Nov 18, 2005

mlqurgw said:
The rich young ruler asked the same question as this lawyer and was given the same answer. Jesus is pointing the lawyer to the law to show him his inability to keep it. That is the whole point of the parable that follows.

There is no rich young ruler here. Futhermore, your interpretation of that passage is also out of whack. It is another myth invented by men.

Jesus told the lawyer he answered the question CORRECTLY. And not only so, he gave an illustration HOW to love one's neighbor.

To try and claim that the parable of the Good Samaritan is about an inability to love one's neighbor is ridiculous.

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

Sentry said:
There is no rich young ruler here. Futhermore, your interpretation of that passage is also out of whack. It is another myth invented by men.

Jesus told the lawyer he answered the question CORRECTLY. And not only so, he gave an illustration HOW to love one's neighbor.

To try and claim that the parable of the Good Samaritan is about an inability to love one's neighbor is ridiculous.

I didn't say there was a rich young ruler there but it is a parallel passage in which the same question was asked and answered in the same way. Christ clearly answered the young ruler by telling him to sell all he had and give it to the poor. Have you done that? Christ's answer to the lawyer in the parable was to show him he hadn't done what was required. Do you keep the commandments and if so which ones?

Edit for additional comments:
Actually the message of the parable is to teach us how God saves sinners. The preist and the Levite represent the law and the religionist who do nothing for the man but God does for the man what he cannot do for himself.

armothe · Nov 18, 2005

DevotiontoBible said:
Matthew 19:17 (NLT)
"... you can receive eternal life if you keep the commandments."
1 Cor. 7:19 (NLT)
For it makes no difference whether or not a man has been circumcised. The important thing is to keep God's commandments.

Rev. 12:17 (NLT)
Then the dragon became angry at the woman, and he declared war against the rest of her childrenall who keep God's commandments and confess that they belong to Jesus.

And just to clarify, we are talking about the commandments of the New Covenant which Christ gave to us:
1) Love God fully
2) Love your neighbors fully

not, the ten commandments from the old covenant law.

-A

Sentry · Nov 18, 2005

mlqurgw said:
I didn't say there was a rich young ruler there but it is a parallel passage in which the same question was asked and answered in the same way.

So what you wish to do is nullify the passage from Luke by your own interpretation of another passage from Matthew right? Again your approach is a classic Calvinist way of obfuscating in order to avoid the plain truth and nullify the Scripture for the sake of your tradition.

Sorry, but that is not the way to get at the truth. In Luke, the lawyer asks a question about how to obtain eternal life. Jesus asks the lawyer what he thinks he must do. The lawyer answers. Jesus answers back that the lawyer's answer is absolutely correct. Not only so, the lawyer then wishes to define his neighbor at his own choosing to try and pick and choose whom he would love. And this is why Jesus gives us a parable about loving a Samaritian, whom the Jews despised. Jesus told him that if he did love his neighbor he would have his eternal life. And then he finishes by saying again, "Go and DO likewise" in reference to his orginal statement.

But you somehow wish to make the audacious claim that Jesus was being coy and didn't mean anything he said. It is patently absurd.

Christ clearly answered the young ruler by telling him to sell all he had and give it to the poor.

In order to have treasure in heaven.

Have you done that?

Actually yes I don't have much but that is quite beside the point. Jesus did NOT tell him to sell everything he had to obtain eternal life. Read it again.

Christ's answer to the lawyer in the parable was to show him he hadn't done what was required.

Ridiculous. Jesus' answer was to illustrate to the lawyer and everyone else HOW to love one's neighbor and who is our neighbor.

Do you keep the commandments and if so which ones?

I keep the commands of Christ.

Edit for additional comments:
Actually the message of the parable is to teach us how God saves sinners. The preist and the Levite represent the law and the religionist who do nothing for the man but God does for the man what he cannot do for himself.

LOL. Man what you guys do to the Scriptures to serve your creed is sad.

Yes the Levite represents the Jewish Law. And Yes the Samaritan represents those who the Jew despises. Jesus tells the lawyer not to be like the Levite but the Samaritan. If you were a Jew this would not sound too good would it? And he tells the lawyer to be like this Samaritan if he wants to obtain eternal life.

Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

Sentry said:
So what you wish to do is nullify the passage from Luke by your own interpretation of another passage from Matthew right? Again your approach is a classic Calvinist way of obfuscating in order to avoid the plain truth and nullify the Scripture for the sake of your tradition.

Sorry, but that is not the way to get at the truth. In Luke, the lawyer asks a question about how to obtain eternal life. Jesus asks the lawyer what he thinks he must do. The lawyer answers. Jesus answers back that the lawyer's answer is absolutely correct. Not only so, the lawyer then wishes to define his neighbor at his own choosing to try and pick and choose whom he would love. And this is why Jesus gives us a parable about loving a Samaritian, whom the Jews despised. Jesus told him that if he did love his neighbor he would have his eternal life. And then he finishes by saying again, "Go and DO likewise" in reference to his orginal statement.

But you somehow wish to make the audacious claim that Jesus was being coy and didn't mean anything he said. It is patently absurd.

In order to have treasure in heaven.

Actually yes I don't have much but that is quite beside the point. Jesus did NOT tell him to sell everything he had to obtain eternal life. Read it again.

Ridiculous. Jesus' answer was to illustrate to the lawyer and everyone else HOW to love one's neighbor and who is our neighbor.

I keep the commands of Christ.

LOL. Man what you guys do to the Scriptures to serve your creed is sad.

Yes the Levite represents the Jewish Law. And Yes the Samaritan represents those who the Jew despises. Jesus tells the lawyer not to be like the Levite but the Samaritan. If you were a Jew this would not sound too good would it? And he tells the lawyer to be like this Samaritan if he wants to obtain eternal life.

Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?" And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

I believe I have told you before that I have no use for creeds or confessions so your little barb is dull. Those who have eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart that believes understand what I have said. I will pray that you will soon be given all of those things.

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

I am done with your master baiting.

kw5kw · Nov 18, 2005

mlqurgw said:
I believe I have told you before that I have no use for creeds or confessions so your little barb is dull. Those who have eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart that believes understand what I have said. I will pray that you will soon be given all of those things.

Without written creeds and confessions, no one will, or ever will, understand on what you truly do believe. For, if you don't have a written account of what you believe, then you can change your stance on no matter what at any time. Nor, do you have anything written that you yourslef can refer back to to make sure that your keeping your path correctly. Think of them as a kind of road map that will help you to get where you are going, without them, you get lost. The Bible is a great start, but there are as many different ways to interpertate (sp) as there are people--almost.

Written creeds just keep you going in the 'preferred' direction.

Agape,
Russ

mlqurgw · Nov 18, 2005

kw5kw said:
Without written creeds and confessions, no one will, or ever will, understand on what you truly do believe. For, if you don't have a written account of what you believe, then you can change your stance on no matter what at any time. Nor, do you have anything written that you yourslef can refer back to to make sure that your keeping your path correctly. Think of them as a kind of road map that will help you to get where you are going, without them, you get lost. The Bible is a great start, but there are as many different ways to interpertate (sp) as there are people--almost.

Written creeds just keep you going in the 'preferred' direction.

Agape,
Russ

I do understand the use of creeds and confesions but they are only the writings of men. The Bible is enough for me. I must ask, what do you do when you belive the creed or confession is wrong? I thank you though for your input but I have seen far too many who hold the creeds and confessions above Scripture.

kw5kw · Nov 18, 2005

mlqurgw said:
I do understand the use of creeds and confesions but they are only the writings of men. The Bible is enough for me. I must ask, what do you do when you belive the creed or confession is wrong? I thank you though for your input but I have seen far too many who hold the creeds and confessions above Scripture.

"Test everything" (1Th 5:21 NIV) "Hold on to the good."

My order of things:

God

Family

Country

Work

You test the creeds to see if indeed they are Scriptural. You'll find that most of the 'major' ones are. Stay away from people who won't put their 'creeds' in writing so that you can't check up on them. That's why they're important. So you can check them out. I know the Baptist tell you and show you what they believe, so will the Calvinist and the Lutheran and even the Roman Catholics will, but the Church of Christ--which borders on cult status, IMHO--does not. So you have to ask yourself the question; "Why, what are they hiding that they are too ashamed of that they can't write it down?" You see, that sends up HUGE WARNING FLAGS as they're definitely something to stay away from. (I was a member of their 'cult' for a few years in the 1970's, so I'm writing to you from experience here.)

And, you're here wanting written input aren't you?

Agape,

Russ

DevotiontoBible · Nov 18, 2005

armothe said:
And just to clarify, we are talking about the commandments of the New Covenant which Christ gave to us:
1) Love God fully
2) Love your neighbors fully

not, the ten commandments from the old covenant law.

-A

Are you an antinomian? Jesus, Paul and John is speaking of the commandments given by Moses. Jesus did not do away with the Law. The Law given through Moses details how to love God and your neighbors. For example, as a Christian you cannot love God and break the First and Second Commandments by worshipping other gods and idols. This example applies to the whole Law.

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