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What makes a Methodist a Methodist?

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Savate

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I've only recently joined the Methodist church (both my in-laws are ministers) but I was rasied a non-practicing Catholic.

I've done my church's orientation and I'm currently doing a really great 32-week Bible Study.

My question is, what is/are the main theological characteristics that define Methodism? Was there something in particular that set Wesley's thinking apart from existing denominations of the time?

I've always gotten very vague answers from fellow Methodists (i.e. they really don't know?) and even the folks in my Bible study seemed to provide little info.


Could someone shed some insight or maybe even refer me to some good sources?

thanks!
 
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well, from looking at your other posts, we're in the same conference--I am a pastor in the Western North Carolina Conference, Salisbury District. Can you perhaps narrow down your question just a little bit? sorry, I'm tired and this is a big question
 
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I think that Jesus is my friend, but he is more than that too. "I have called you friends," he says in the Gospel of John. He reproves me a great deal though, unlike a drinking buddy. I recall less than fondly finding out what God thought of the Jews in the time of Ezekiel while reading that book, and finding myself in the place of Ezekiel eating bread of spelt.

It surprises me, because most of my congregation are Republicans. In fact, all of the ones that I've met are except one or two. Regardless, being a Republican doesn't save, Jesus does. I say that as someone who despises the Democratic party and their platform.
 
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"Justification by faith" is not particular to Methodism, it's particular to Protestantism, especially at the time of the Protestant Reformation, in opposition to the belief of the Catholic church that works of righteousness (among other things) are required for salvation. Ironically, Wesley believed that given time and ability, good works were ALSO required for salvation. This got him into a bit of trouble, incidentally.

Methodism began as a holiness movement within the Church of England. Since I can't give you an entire semester's worth of UM History in this post, I'll condense it greatly, and will be happy to clarify anything, or correct it, should someone find my response in error. =)

Methodism was never intended to become its own denomination. As settlers came to North America from England, many were members of the Church of England, and many of those belonged to Methodist classes within the Church of England. To make a long story short, after the US won its independence from England, England couldn't ordain their American missionaries as priests, because all priests in the church of England had to take a vow of loyalty to the crown. Obviously no citizen of the US would do so, so the Methodists in America had no one to administer the sacraments. Because of this, and of course other reasons, in 1784 the Methodists officially parted from the Church of England and became the Methodist Episcopal Church.

Wesley hated (and no, that's not too strong of a word) the Calvinistic doctrine of predestination. Rather than limited selection, Wesley believed that salvation was available to everyone, through “prevenient grace.”

John Wesley's "Order of Salvation" begins with this “prevenient grace,” and is a piece of key doctrine that defines Methodism, if anything does. (Or, did, anyway. I doubt if 5% of our congregations have even heard the phrase “order of salvation” today.) If you like, I'll send you an essay I wrote on it for a doctrine class in seminary.

What make us Methodist? Our history, our doctrine, and our polity. I didn’t mention anything about polity, but it has to do with how we are structured as a church. Pastors belong to conferences, rather than local churches. Local churches are organized into districts, districts into conferences, and conferences into jurisdictions. Over everything is the “General Conference.” But it doesn’t sound like that’s really what you were asking, so I’ll leave it at that. =)

I hope some of that helps. I’m sorry you’ve gotten vague answers from Methodists. If you have any specific questions, don’t hesitate to ask.

Jonathan
 
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I also, appreciate Jonathan's post. I actually had the same question as the OP, and was happy to see this thread.
As a self-described "geek", I wonder if Jonathan has that essay in an easily emailed format on his computer? <hint, hint>
 
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So far, the Methodism that has been referred to is that of the UMC. There are many branches of Methodism throughout the world. Thought it might be good to answer Savate's question from a wider perspective.

Scott,
Methodism in my part of Asia is primarily evangelical (99%) with more than half sympathetic or sharing the charismatic orientation. Liberalism could not survive here. So it would not be accurate to assume that all or most Methodists are 'liberal'.

Jonahan,
While I agree that previenient grace is important to Methodism, it is not the key distinctive feature of Methodism. I believe it existed in Orthodox theology in quite a strong way: possibly imbibed by the Wesleys as they read the writings of the eastern Fathers of the church.

Savate,
John Wesley said that the reason why God raised the Methodists was to 'spread Scriptural holiness throughout the land'. He was talking about Christian perfection (not perfectionist perfection. You can read it in his Christian perfection sermons/articles) or 'holiness in heart and life'. This is what makes us Methodist: the focus on holiness. Justification by faith isnt enough. Sanctification must follow. It is a SOCIAL holiness as well....for it is not just a pietistic 'me and God' kind of thing.It is a holiness that starts in the individual and seeks to TRANSFORM society as well....

Seen in a bigger perspective, our joint history traced to the Wesleys, our doctrine (based on the Sermons and Notes (Notes on the NT)of John Wesley plus hymns of Charles Wesley and our commitment to the holiness theme would be what makes us Methodists.

Polity is different in different Methodist branches.
In UK, there's no Bishop. They have Presidents.
In USA and UMC- there's only Bishops. No Presidents.
In some other countries- they have BOTH Presidents and Bishops. Some bishops are for life. Some bishops are there for a term...and cease to be bishops after they step down. The UMC has conferences, jurisdictions, general conference. Other countries do not. It is true however that most Methodist bodies are connectional, not congregational ie the pastors belong to the Annual General Conference and not to the local church. The churches are linked to each other for/in decision making processes and cannot just 'do their own thing' as a local congregation.

Hope this helps.

 
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So far, the Methodism that has been referred to is that of the UMC.

Thanks for expanding the scope, Artos. I should have clarified that the doctrinal and historical points I raised apply to Methodism in general, while the short bit of polity I discussed was in reference to UMC, specifically.

For clarification, I didn't say that (only) prevenient grace was a key piece of Methodist doctrine, I said that the Order of Salvation was, and that the Order of Salvation began with prevenient grace. You indicated that Sanctifation is what sets Methodistm apart, but Sanctification is a part of the Order of Salvation, so I don't think we have any real disagreement there.

Blessings,

Jonathan
 
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Not because I'm arguing, but because I'm curious, what did Wesley or later Methodist commentators think about those strange "predestination passages" in the Bible? I can't figure them out and they're there, and I'm willing to find them and quote them in a new thread if you think it might be a good discussion.
 
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Why not ask Wesley himself?

John Wesley's sermon "On Predestination"
 
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As you sort through this, keep in mind that the doctrine of predestination is that God has chosen certain people to go to heaven. If God has not chosen you to go to heaven, under this doctrine, then you will not, no matter WHAT you do.

There is also a doctrine of "double predestination", that God chooses not only who goes to heaven, but also who goes to hell. Wesley finds this ridiculous, claiming that there can be no doctrine of predestination that isn't a doctrine of double predestination, for anyone not going to heaven, Wesley asserts, goes to hell.
 
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I see where Wesley is going with this and it makes sense. There is a definite conflict between salvation by faith and predestination, both of which I believe in, but not in the sense of a doctrine of predestination mde by men. What Wesley is saying is that once one has gained faith, then he is called or chosen, and that faith is garnered of free will, and therefore the idea of being destined as a Christian comes of choice first, and then of the Spirit. It makes sense but I want to think about it a little more. Thanks for the link, that helped a lot.

Why not ask Wesley himself?

John Wesley's sermon "On Predestination"


I see what you are saying. It makes sense that if you are chosen for no virtue of yourself, then those condmned are condmned for the same lack of reason. That definitely doesn't work, there is plenty of Scripture that denies that. I'll have to read a bit more and see if anything else strikes me in that Wesley article, and then read the sections that deal with being destined in Scripture.
 
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You might want to read "The Character of a Methodist" by John Wesley. Due to my limited posts, the site is limiting me from posting a link; therefore, probably much to your chagrin, you will be getting most of the text. Another restriction seems to be word count; therefore, I will omit the end of this article. To get the full text, you may want to google.

Grace and Peace.

Soli Deo Gloria!

 
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