What Is The Unbelief That Excludes Access?

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Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

Here is one description.
Psalm 78:
17
But they sinned even more against Him
By rebelling against the Most High in the wilderness.
18 And they tested God in their heart
By asking for the food of their fancy.
19 Yes, they spoke against God:
They said, Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?
20 Behold, He struck the rock,
So that the waters gushed out,
And the streams overflowed.
Can He give bread also?
Can He provide meat for His people?
21 Therefore the Lord heard this and was furious;
So a fire was kindled against Jacob,
And anger also came up against Israel,
22 Because they did not believe in God,
And did not trust in His salvation.

How about failure to trust in difficult circumstances?
 

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Define "Difficult Circumstances."

An estimated 70,000,000 Christians throughout history were martyred for their faith in the form of burning at the stake, crucifixion, getting eaten alive by lions in front of live audiences, among other things.[1][2][3]

~Revelation 2:8-11 (ICB)

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  1. List of Christian martyrs - Wikipedia
  2. https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...yred-faith-since-jesus-walked-earth/38403.htm
  3. https://mcgrath.nd.edu/assets/84231/the_demographics_of_christian_martyrdom_todd_johnson.pdf
 
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Asked and answered in post #1. The unbelief spoken of in Hebrews 3 and described in Psalm 78
as in the OP, is not about martyrdom, it is about grumbling and complaining against the Lord.
 
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Asked and answered in post #1. The unbelief spoken of in Hebrews 3 and described in Psalm 78
as in the OP, is not about martyrdom, it is about grumbling and complaining against the Lord.

So complaining is enough to send someone to Hell, in spite of what the Lord Jesus Christ did on the cross?
 
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So complaining is enough to send someone to Hell, in spite of what the Lord Jesus Christ did on the cross?
It kept them from entering the promised land, as the scriptures state. You can decide for
yourself the implications of that turn of events. Moses was denied entry. Thread is not going
to be derailed into a discussion "about sending someone to hell", it's about how the Lord
feels about rebellion, when the complaining suggests that God can't do what he promised.
 
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I think you're on to something!

~Hebrews 3:1-19 (ICB)

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From the looks of it, they lost faith in the Lord Jesus Christ because they chose sin rather than faith.

~Galatians 5:13-26 (ICB)

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How many people have turned away from Christianity because they chose to serve Mammon rather than God?

~Matthew 6:19-24 (ICB)

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Well, this is actually giving me food for thought after a rough few weeks in my walk with God!

Thank you, Father God, for this topic!

God bless!
Amen. The thread is about living in the Kingdom. I see that you got it now. Don't get
lost in this wilderness we call the "modern world"!
 
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How about failure to trust in difficult circumstances?
. . . and neglecting to trust Him while things are going nicely.

when the complaining suggests that God can't do what he promised.
The people of Israel were directly criticizing God's provision, in their complaining.

They were not complaining that they forgot to bring an umbrella, on a rainy day.

Every time I admit I have done something wrong, I am complaining about myself, by the way > I just thought of this.

I would say the real problem of complaining is if a person is committed against the LORD. For example, the Israelites were just plain spiteful, I would say . . . after how God had proven Himself to them.

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" (in Philippians 2:13-16).

So, we need to believe we can "become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault" > right "in the midst of" this evil world's "crooked and perverse generation".

God is able to do this with us . . . easily. Because He is spiritual and powerful enough.

And there is arguing and complaining which is against how our Father wants us to relate with Him and love.

There is arguing which involves believing in our own ability to make things happen and get people to see things our way . . . instead of depending on how our Father makes is creative to love each and every person . . . not to merely control and use people.

There is complaining which is because we were trusting in something and it failed us . . . when we should have been depending on God.
 
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Psalm 78:
17
But they sinned even more against Him
By rebelling
against the Most High in the wilderness.
18 And they tested God in their heart
By asking for the food of their fancy.
What should be a fairly well known and infamous quote:
1 Samuel 15:
22
So Samuel said: [to Saul]
Has the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the Lord?
Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice,
And to heed than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
He also has rejected you from being king.

More on rebellion to come, but this is the unbelief that the anointing for church leaders
is meant to deal with at the root.
 
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The unbelief is disobedience. The Israelites did not believe, thus they did not obey God. Belief and obedience are 2 sides of 1 coin. Unbelief and disobedience are 2 sides of another coin.

If you believe, you will obey.

if you don’t believe, you will not obey.

Ezekiel 20:5-18 KJV
 
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The unbelief is disobedience. The Israelites did not believe, thus they did not obey God.
Yes, unbelief that leads to disobedience is called rebellion!
Belief/unbelief is not a light switch, and to be cutoff goes beyond unbelief.

Mark 9:
23
Jesus said to him, If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes.
24 Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!

All believers have points of struggle, such as Thomas, and the resurrection.
All the apostles had their moments...

Matthew 17:
19
Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, Why could we not cast it out?
20 So Jesus said to them, Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, Move from here to there,’and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you.
21 However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

Hebrews 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
Out of context, this becomes a very generic and frightening statement about unbelief.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence
steadfast to the end,
15 while it is said:
Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.
16
For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt,
led by Moses?
17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose
corpses fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest,
but to those who did not obey?

I offered a link earlier for all the places in the OT where the words 'cut off' are used,
and the context states 'rebelliousness against God and His chosen leaders.
In the context of Romans 11, Paul is providing a very specific warning toward Gentiles
concerning becoming arrogant towards the Jews who had been cut off because of their
unbelief. They rejected the Messiah and put Him to an open shame and had Him put to
death by crucifixion! Therefore He warned them merely days before "all the righteous
blood will be accounted for upon this generation"!
As to the context of the thread, the reason for the threat to being cut off is arrogance toward
natural Israel.

Romans 11:
19 You will say then, Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith.
Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell,
severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise,
you also will be cut off.
23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able
to graft them in again.

When Paul says "continue" in His Goodness, he uses [G1961=epimeno] a strengthened
form of [G3306-meno] meaning to abide, remain, continue with steadfast perseverance.
[G3306-meno] is used repeatedly by John in his Gospel and first epistle.

John 15:
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in
the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit;
for without Me you can do nothing.
6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they
gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. [i.e. cut off]
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be
done for you.
8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Those who are cut off and cast into the fire attain salvation, only by fire.
1 Corinthians 3:
14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved,
yet so as through fire.
 
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Amen. The thread is about living in the Kingdom. I see that you got it now. Don't get
lost in this wilderness we call the "modern world"!

2 Peter 2:
20
For if, after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord
and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse
for them than the beginning
.
21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than
having known to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.
22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: A dog returns to his own vomit,
and, a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.
 
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