What Is The Rosary Really All About?

um technically - she did. She did give birth to Him. He obedience and submission to the Father brought the Savior into this world. SO - Mary did and does have something to do with your coming to Jesus . . . . Does Mary save? Absolutely not! But that does not negate her role and possition as the Mother of the Savior - as Mother of God.

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This is misleading, the RCC teaches that Mary has more to do with salvation than just the giving birth to Jesus part!!! Your trying to downplay something here. They teach that she NOW has a lot to do with your salvation because she NOW is the mediatrix of grace, and her prayers save.

Iollain said:

This is misleading, the RCC teaches that Mary has more to do with salvation than just the giving birth to Jesus part!!! Your trying to downplay something here. They teach that she NOW has a lot to do with your salvation because she NOW is the mediatrix of grace, and her prayers save.

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Um . . . when was mediatrix of grace declared doctrine by the RCC?

AND UM . . . I'm not Roman Catholic.

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."510

971 "All generations will call me blessed": "The Church's devotion to the Blessed Virgin is intrinsic to Christian worship."513 The Church rightly honors "the Blessed Virgin with special devotion. From the most ancient times the Blessed Virgin has been honored with the title of 'Mother of God,' to whose protection the faithful fly in all their dangers and needs. . . . This very special devotion . . . differs essentially from the adoration which is given to the incarnate Word and equally to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and greatly fosters this adoration."514 The liturgical feasts dedicated to the Mother of God and Marian prayer, such as the rosary, an "epitome of the whole Gospel," express this devotion to the Virgin Mary.515



I really don't see any big deal on whether it is declared doctirne or not, it is taught and it is...and noone cares to get rid of it.

Iollain said:

This is misleading, the RCC teaches that Mary has more to do with salvation than just the giving birth to Jesus part!!! Your trying to downplay something here. They teach that she NOW has a lot to do with your salvation because she NOW is the mediatrix of grace, and her prayers save.

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The Catholic Church teaches quite truly that Mary is a co-worker or helper in the economy of salvation. because of her position and closeness to Jesus, she is the pre-eminent helper. But anyone can have a "saving office" - perhaps even by as little a thing as the way they act toward a stranger.

What you're trying to do is take Catholic theology and twist the words into what they might mean in a calvinist document.

You did not answer my question - WHEN was it declared? Besides - the catechism is not canon law.

Axion said:

The Catholic Church teaches quite truly that Mary is a co-worker or helper in the economy of salvation.

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Mary has not one thing to do with our salvation and to say otherwise is should be considered anathema.

Secondly, Mary is invoked in the Church under the title Mediatrix of all grace. All the graces which flow from the redemption of Jesus Christ are granted to the human family through the motherly intercession of Mary. Mary mediated Jesus Christ, the Author of all graces, to the world when she agreed to be the human mother of God made man (cf. Lk 1:38). And from the cross at Calvary (Jn 19:26) and as the final gift to humanity, Jesus gives Mary as a spiritual mother to us all: "Son, behold your mother" (cf. Jn 19:26). For this reason, Vatican II refers to Mary as a "mother to us in the order of grace " (Lumen Gentium, n. 62) and several twentieth century popes have officially taught the doctrine of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, quoting the words of St Bernard: "It is the will of God that we obtain all favours through Mary." The Mediatrix performs this task in intimate union with the Holy Spirit, the Sanctifier, with whom she began the drama of our Lord's Redemption at the Annunciation (cf. Lk. 1:35).

Obviously they found nothing wrong with sainting Bernard, or the other saint including the one who said this:

So, then, it is taught in authorized books, that 'it is morally impossible for those to be saved who neglect the devotion to the Blessed Virgin;' that 'it is the will of God that all graces should pass through her hands;' that 'no creature obtained any grace from God, save according to the dispensation of His holy Mother;' that Jesus has, in fact, said, 'no one shall be partaker of My Blood, unless through the intercession of My Mother;' that 'we can only hope to obtain perseverance through her;' that 'God granted all the pardons in the Old Testament absolutely for the reverence and love of this Blessed Virgin;' that 'our salvation is in her hand;' that 'it is impossible for any to be saved, who turns away from her, or is disregarded by her; or to be lost, who turns to her, or is regarded by her;' that 'whom the justice of God saves not, the infinite mercy of Mary saves by her intercession;' that God is 'subject to the command of Mary;' that 'God has resigned into her hands (if one might say so) His omnipotence in the sphere of grace;' that 'it is safer to seek salvation through her than directly from Jesus.'"


And then you can find things like this:

http://www.marymediatrix.com/kb/kb7/9.shtml

Is this to be a discussion or are we going to sit here and talk at and past eachother??

Br. Max said:

Is this to be a discussion or are we going to sit here and talk at and past eachother??

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Sorry. I'm still in shock at the idea that Mary is a co-worker in our salvation.

Give me a minute to wrap the duct tape around my head and I'll be right with you.

12volt_man said:

Sorry. I'm still in shock at the idea that Mary is a co-worker in our salvation.

Give me a minute to wrap the duct tape around my head and I'll be right with you.

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this thread is seriously off topic.