What is the purpose of the Sabbath?

reddogs · Aug 9, 2007

sentipente said:
Why do you say that I am throwing the Bible away if I refuse to accept your bogus claim that the Sabbath is in Genesis? Show me the Sabbath in the book of Genesis then we can talk.

It clearly shows that God blessed the seventh day and set it aside as a day of rest, a holy day, and this was not put in by Moses so he could retroactively justify the Sabbath. If you believe that, then it nulifies anything that Moses wrote as you break down his integrity, and by extension anything he wrote. Thus starts the process of throwing away scripture till you only leave the parts you want, its either all or nothing when it comes to Gods truth........

sentipente · Aug 9, 2007

[bible]Genesis 2:1-4[/bible]

djconklin · Aug 9, 2007

Show me the Sabbath in the book of Genesis then we can talk.

Dr. William Mead Jones figured that if the Sabbath had existed before the Law was given at Mt. Sinai then perhaps we'd know of it by looking at the various languages which were created at the Tower of Babel. He found that in over 100 languages (and I found two more that he didn't know of) the seventh-day of the week is known as "sabbath."

Sneaky move restricting the evidence to the book of Genesis. That way you can ignore, dispose of, and say that others are using "replacemnent theology" if they refer to Exodus 16 (which took place a month before the Law was given) and yet talks about the Sabbath was if they knew the term.

sentipente · Aug 9, 2007

djconklin said:
Sneaky move restricting the evidence to the book of Genesis. That way you can ignore, dispose of, and say that others are using "replacemnent theology" if they refer to Exodus 16 (which took place a month before the Law was given) and yet talks about the Sabbath was if they knew the term.

The Sabbath was not given at Sinai. It was given when they were delivered from Egypt.

BTW, since you have researched this extensively do you know what the civilizations that had a ten day week called the seventh day? I guess it won't apply to those that had a five day week.

truthmagnet · Aug 9, 2007

sentipente said:
Why do you say that I am throwing the Bible away if I refuse to accept your bogus claim that the Sabbath is in Genesis? Show me the Sabbath in the book of Genesis then we can talk.

sentipente,
you quoted this yourself.

[2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.]

if you can tell me which part of these verses you do not understand, i will try to clarify them?

Jimlarmore · Aug 9, 2007

The hebrew word in Genesis is Shabbat which is the same as Sabbath. So Sabbath is clearly mentioned in Genesis. I can't believe this is being debated on an SDA forum by actual SDA's.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

djconklin · Aug 9, 2007

The Sabbath was not given at Sinai. It was given when they were delivered from Egypt.

Text please.

since you have researched this extensively do you know what the civilizations that had a ten day week called the seventh day? I guess it won't apply to those that had a five day week.

Name them.

sentipente · Aug 9, 2007

Jimlarmore said:
The hebrew word in Genesis is Shabbat which is the same as Sabbath. So Sabbath is clearly mentioned in Genesis. I can't believe this is being debated on an SDA forum by actual SDA's.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Maybe you can tell us when Moses wrote the book of Genesis relative to the Creation and relative to the Exodus. We can go from there.

Jimlarmore · Aug 9, 2007

What does it matter? The word for Sabbath is used in the book of Genesis in the hebrew, the practice of keeping the Sabbath was upheld by Moses before Sinai in the gathering of the manna.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

djconklin · Aug 9, 2007

The hebrew word in Genesis is Shabbat which is the same as Sabbath. So Sabbath is clearly mentioned in Genesis.

Twice even:

Genesis 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested (shabath) on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested (shabath) from all his work which God created and made.

I can't believe this is being debated on an SDA forum by actual SDA's.

You have assumed that all SDA's have recieved the same amount and kind of training in the Bible. In fact, it is only when you assume that you don'tknow it all that you listen to others. For instance, I believe it was here (rather recently) at CF that some directed our attention to a sermon by Dwight Nelson from PMC at Andrews in which he noted that according to non-SDA scholars the 10C were written on stone taken from God's throne--so they are just as permanent as His throne is. I had never heard that before. But, because I know that I don't know everything I anm willing to dig deeply to find the truth. It is those who don't know how ignorant they really are who don't dig because they think that they already know it all and are always right and everyone else is wrong. I've met people like that and even his wife rolled her eyes up to the heavens. Then there was the guy who just had to try and put me down and started spouting off and after a little while I recognized where he was getting the ideas from--they were Catholic!!!!

djconklin · Aug 9, 2007

Maybe you can tell us when Moses wrote the book of Genesis relative to the Creation and relative to the Exodus.

It isn't relevant how long after the events that they were actually written down. There are sufficient clues within the text to tell us that it was handed down orally. Unless, of course, you wish to suggest that God inspired Moses to write down error.

mva1985 · Aug 9, 2007

Jim,

I have to agree with you it is hard to believe that their are Adventists that would question that the Sabbath was kept in Genesis.

StormyOne · Aug 9, 2007

mva1985 said:
Jim,

I have to agree with you it is hard to believe that their are Adventists that would question that the Sabbath was kept in Genesis.

Why is it hard? Is it hard for you to believe that not all who went to MVA views it as you do?

mva1985 · Aug 9, 2007

StormyOne said:
Why is it hard? Is it hard for you to believe that not all who went to MVA views it as you do?

That made me laugh.

sentipente · Aug 10, 2007

Jimlarmore said:
What does it matter? The word for Sabbath is used in the book of Genesis in the hebrew, the practice of keeping the Sabbath was upheld by Moses before Sinai in the gathering of the manna.

That's a nice bob and weave.

Windmill · Aug 10, 2007

reddogs said:
Some Adventist say rest, and sleep all day, some say go to church and sleep at church, some say go and convert by passing out pamphlets and magazines and others truly understand the purpose of the Sabbath and God is pleased......

What is the Sabbath for, and do we understand its purpose.........

What do we do on the Sabbath and why do we do it?

John 5:12-18
12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk? 13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place. 14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. 15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole. 16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because HE HAD NOT ONLY BROKEN THE SABBATH, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

I try to, on sabbath, do things that will further my walk with God. Thats what I use the day as.

If I had it my way, I'd probably be a recluse, and debate online about theology issues and read all day with some educational videos thrown in, and go for nature walks/if I lived somewhere warm, scuba diving. And, of course, prayer. In a reclusive situation, prayer would become natural.

I try to use the day to do things specifically to prepare myself for his kingdom, and for getting to know God better.

And it is by far my favourite day

Telaquapacky · Aug 10, 2007

Thank you, Windmill, for bringing us back on topic!

When I was on Guam at the Adventist mission there (I spent five weeks there preparing for taking a mission in Africa), I heard a funny story. A missionary couple were about to go snorkeling on the Sabbath. Another church member saw them, and said, "Do you really think you should be doing that on the Sabbath?" The missionary couple noticed that the church member was carrying a pair of binoculars. They asked him, "Where are you going?" He said, "I'm going bird-watching." They told him, "That's nice. We're going to see the fish!"

I don't think we should get hung up about what to do and what not to do on the Sabbath, so that it becomes Pharisaical and statutory. I have my own ides about what I think I should do or not do on the Sabbath, and I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

To me, the main point of the Sabbath is that it is a date with Jesus.

OntheDL · Aug 10, 2007

Show me the Sabbath in the book of Genesis then we can talk.

Sentipente,

Even the churches who do not keep the sabbath agree the sabbath was instituted at creation:

The church of God:
"The seventh day was observed from Abraham's time, nay, from creation. The Jews identified their own history with the institution of the Sabbath day. They loved and venerated it as a patriarchal usage." "The evidence of Christianity" Page 302 Saint Louis: Christian Publishing co. 1906, Quoted from a debate between Robert Owen and Alexander Campbell (The founder of the Church of Christ), Saint Louis: Christian Publishing co. 1906.

Baptist :
"The first four commandments set forth man's obligations directly toward God...The fourth commandment sets forth God's claim on man's time and thought...Not one of the Ten Words (the 10 Commandments) is of merely racial significance...The Sabbath was established originally (long before Moses) in no special connection with the Hebrews, but as an institution for all mankind, in commemoration of God's rest after six days of creation. It was designed for all the descendants of Adam." Adult Quarterly, Southern Baptist Convention series, Aug. 15, 1937

Methodist:
"The Sabbath instituted in the beginning, and confirmed again and again by Moses and the prophets, has never been abrogated. A part of the moral law, not a jot or a tittle of its sanctity has been taken away." Bishops Pastoral.

"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word 'remember' showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote the law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?" Dwight L. Moody, Weighed and Wanting, Page 47.

Presbyterian
"For the permanency of the Sabbath, we might argue for its place in the Decalogue, where it stands enshrined among the moralities of a rectitude that is immutable and everlasting." Thomas Chalmers, D. D., Sermons, Volume 1, page 51

Catholic
"The Israelite respects the authority of the Old Testament only, but the [Seventh-day] Adventist, who is a Christian, accepts the New Testament on the same ground as the Old, viz: an inspired record also. He finds that the Bible, his teacher, is consistent in both parts, that the Redeemer, during His mortal life never kept any other day than Saturday. The Gospels plainly evince to Him this fact; whilst, in the pages of the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles and the Apocalypse, not the vestige of an act canceling the Saturday arrangement can be found." Editorial, The Catholic Mirror (Baltimore), September 2, 1893.

reddogs · Aug 10, 2007

Windmill said:
I try to, on sabbath, do things that will further my walk with God. Thats what I use the day as.

If I had it my way, I'd probably be a recluse, and debate online about theology issues and read all day with some educational videos thrown in, and go for nature walks/if I lived somewhere warm, scuba diving. And, of course, prayer. In a reclusive situation, prayer would become natural.

I try to use the day to do things specifically to prepare myself for his kingdom, and for getting to know God better.

And it is by far my favourite day

I think that the purpose of the Sabbath is much greater than what we can imagine, it encomposes a more complete worship, a broader understanding of God, a closer walk with Christ........

Jimlarmore · Aug 10, 2007

sentipente said:
That's a nice bob and weave.

Please explain why its important to know the time line of when the Sabbath was given especially when you look at it in reference to Gen 2:2-3 or Ex 16. The pentatuach ( first five books of the Bible) has long been agreed upon to be written by Moses. The Sabbath truth is not a prophecy where a time line makes it or breaks it other than on the first 7th day we know God rested ( called Shabbat in hebrew ). The word rested in Genesis like I said is "SHABBAT" and it is a root word for Sabbath. So there you have the Sabbath in Genesis my brother

Many folks who are basically anti-sabbath use this arguement to point out that the Sabbath was given only for the Jews. The problem is when they say that they forget about the fact that in the new testament all new covenant christians are supposed to be spiritual Israel with God's laws ( the ten commandments) now written on their hearts not on just stone.

Also , the entire Bible with the exception of the book of Luke and one chapter of Daniel was written by Jews and Sabbath keepers. Not one time did they say anywhere in the Bible that the Sabbath was to be done away with or made null and void.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

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