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You can't but you can look up where He said it to verify it. I'll even give you a passage talking about truth if you trust me to give you the right one. lol Matthew 16:13-18If "no man can be trusted", then why should I trust what you're telling me here?
You can't but you can look up where He said it to verify it. I'll even give you the passage if you trust me to give you the right one. lol Matthew 16:13-18
An unwillingness to compare man's ways with God's and choose the better of the two (even if you think both were written by man)?
I said pick the better option of the two.. or go out and create your own system. But you'll find these two have been around for thousands of years., but then directing me things written by people and then implying I should trust them.
Yet Jesus was a man - should one trust a man who tells you not to trust men?Jesus said to not listen to man when He told Peter and the others what the foundation of the church was, that truth only comes from God and no man can be trusted.
Well, duh. Those men were trustworthy. It's not special pleading if the (man-authored) bible says it.Yet Jesus was a man - should one trust a man who tells you not to trust men?
And, of course, the bible was written by men who were claimed by men to be inspired by God - we clearly can't trust them or the bible either.
Or is there some special pleading involved?
I said pick the better option of the two.. or go out and create your own system. But you'll find these two have been around for thousands of years.
Hinduism has been around far longer than Christianity. Why aren't you a Hindu?I said pick the better option of the two.. or go out and create your own system. But you'll find these two have been around for thousands of years.
I thought love/hate, greed/give, self/selfless and so on were rather simple opposites; as is mans' will/God's will, regardless of who made them both up..I already addressed this; it's not a strict dichotomy.
I thought love/hate, greed/give, self/selfless and so on were rather simple opposites; as is mans' will/God's will, regardless of who made them both up..
Maybe not but life is made of opposites. Grey area is good or there is no compromise and the world would end up like the US, divided with neither side willing to budge.I don't view life in nearly so black and white terms.
But if man made up God's will it is not God's will, it is man's will. Something cannot be its own opposite.I thought love/hate, greed/give, self/selfless and so on were rather simple opposites; as is mans' will/God's will, regardless of who made them both up..
Your thinking appears to be flawed in several ways. For example:I thought love/hate, greed/give, self/selfless and so on were rather simple opposites; as is mans' will/God's will, regardless of who made them both up..
All ok, I'm just not orthodox...Apologies, I find it hard to keep track of who has which beliefs, so I default to the generic...
No one was damned for the reasons you say here... From personal experience I can say I wore the uniform of all sides for awhile... But we are told that Satan and his cohort 'waged war' with the holy angels which tells us a little more than they brushed HIS claims to be GOD off as delusions. Why would YHWH tell us HE was GOD? He is either delusional, evil or telling the truth. They decided HE was lying and therefore evil.This is where the analysis is mistaken; if an individual is not convinced or simply doesn't believe a particular god is real, then they are not freely rejecting any offers supposedly made by that god.
I know what you mean but when something new this way comes, you get to choose your belief in reality, that is, to trust YHWH or to reject HIM even though the cost is said to be high. They so hated him and HIS claims they would rather go to hell than life with HIM...this is the level of sin that gets you into hell...Belief is a matter of conviction; you can't directly choose to believe or disbelieve, you are convinced or otherwise by your feelings and/or what you accept as evidence.
On earth we face this but we do not have a free will. But pre-earth when I think we made these choices with eternal consequences such ideas sprang up after HE made HIS claims...and yes, we did have to sort our whose reality we liked the best for our chance at the best future happiness and then we had to commit to it... That was the choice.But if you could simply choose to believe or disbelieve, and you were starting without any explicit god beliefs (e.g. as a child), you would be faced with an awful multiplication of Pascal's Wager - a quandary involving which god belief(s) to choose - when many are exclusive or have mutually exclusive attributes.
Of course it is no coincidence but it also is not PROOF that the sinful elect can't be found in any and every culture. The Nations are not here for them to find GOD, they are here to be the bad example to help the sinful elect of all nations come out from among their culture so they can be judged without harm to the sinful elect themselves. The ones who have it the hardest are the elect sinful Christians in a secular Christian society.It's no coincidence that the vast majority of religious believers have the religious beliefs of the culture they grow up in.
It's no coincidence that the vast majority of religious believers have the religious beliefs of the culture they grow up in.
Like I said, pick the better option of the two.. the ways of man or the ways of the Kingdom. That is what the Bible, Christianity, whatever, is all about.There are arguments in favour of Christianity that are clearer, more structured, better supported and carry more weight than your efforts here.
I know, we all hate to hear the truth of verses like Jn 23:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son., before we are reborn into the Spirit. Yes some are condemned already. What makes this fair is that they were given a choice about the life they wanted with full disclosure and understanding of the consequences of each option and they chose by their free uncoerced will to go against GOD even though they knew that meant if YHWH proved HIMSelf to actually be our GOD then they were doomed.This choice happened before the creation of the physical universe which we all saw as HIS proof of HIS divinity and power, Rom 1:18-20, after all choices were finalized.So in effect a non-believer is doomed regardless. That seems even more ridiculous.
All those living in their sin agree with you...but if you quit listening to people and search for GOD HIMself so you can lean on HIM, sometimes the magic happens.This is why Christian theology and a lot of Christian conceptions of God are nonsensical to me. This is why I believe that if there really is a real God, none of the human religions have that figured out.
Oh but there is so much evidence...there is just no proof. Lack of proof does NOT prove lack of evidence.Irrational, to me, is following a set of rules purporting to be set by God, but lacking evidence that such is their source.
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