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Their views are their views and are not germane. It has been years since I have asked what your grandchildren believe, and I am not too sure they would tell you the truth if you asked.
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Their views are their views and are not germane. It has been years since I have asked what your grandchildren believe, and I am not too sure they would tell you the truth if you asked.Do your parents (or upbringers) agree with that, or are they scared too?
Got it.Their views are their views and are not germane.
Some of you are scared. I did not say that all of you were. My parents are happy in their beliefs and are not pushing them on anyone else. That is why their beliefs do not matter. So how about your grandkids? Or are they not germane either?Got it.
We're scared.
You aren't.
Your parents aren't germane.
(Actually, if you read what started this whole subdiscussion, you are the one who said it was "scary." Implying that you are the one who is scared -- not us.)
The problem is that your so called "evidence" is not exclusive. The fossil record exclusively supports the theory of evolution. Creationists cannot come up with a consistent, non-contradictory, explanation of it.
You have no choice but shifting the goal. You asked: what is wrong with the evidence of fossils which supports evolution?
Is it proper to use this question as an argument of no evidence for creation?
Back to the goal of OP, could you tell me what do you expect to see so you would seriously consider the validity of creation? I think you could not.
In other words, you do not know what creation is, and yet you ask to see an evidence.
This is one confusing conversation.My parents are happy in their beliefs and are not pushing them on anyone else.
You asked for "evidence". In fact, you are asking "understandable evidence" which depends on your ability of understanding.
If so, there may be many "evidences" that you do not understand. So you can not say there is no evidence to support Creationism.
This is the nature of so-called evidence. So, use this word in your argument carefully.
As for the sea water on the earth, it is one of the strong evidence which convinced me the validity of Creationism. It took me a few decades to understand it. It is much more than just another conversation piece.
OK. But first we need to make sure where is the goal.
Creationism is: things are created.
What kind of evidence would support that?
So, there is a thing. We would trace it back to find its origin.
If we found an explainable origin, then it is not created.
But if we found no such origin, could we say it was created?
If not, then what do you expect to see in order to take is as an evidence of creation?
Do you expect to see something like a dove was created in the hand of a magician? Even you are convinced that is true creation, how about people who were not in the theater? How do you present any evidence to them? You would show the dove. Is the dove an evidence, or a proof of the creation?
God created the seawater of the earth when you were not there. Now, you see the water, and you ask: where is the evidence of creation? I said the seawater itself is an evidence. I did not say the existence of seawater is a proof. So, how do you expect me to continue the argument? I certainly can not ask God do it again.
If you can not pass this hurdle of finding what kind of evidence you expect to see, then making any further argument is simply a waste of time.
To give you a contrast: I know exactly what evidence I want to see on the idea of evolution. Unfortunately, no one can show me what I want to see.
the whole question is a bad joke.
first you set yourself up as the peer.. of my veiw.
and your not judge or jury of anyones but your own veiw.
so stay out my veiw.
if you think scientist will every ask a true question that proves creation happened your lying only to yourself.
so of course there is peerer veiwed Proof but you fellows aren't the peer and neither are they.
You say that God created the seawater of the earth, and that therefore it is evidence of creation. However, if the earth had not been created but had arisen by natural processes, then we would also see seawater. If the earth had been created by an advanced alien intelligence (not a God), then we would see seawater.
That's why I have been asking for specific evidence for creation. I.e. evidence that specifically supports theistic creation, but does not support any other theory. (Or at least supports creation much more strongly than it does other theories). I.e. something that simply doesn't make sense for any other theory other than creation.
How am I shifting the goal posts? I was merely trying to explain to you your flaws in your approach to this problem.
Admit it. It is easy to see:
The goal was: Provide evidence of creation.
You shifted it to: Prove fossils are not evidences of evolution.
Alien "created" the amount of seawater is still a creation. So, is the possibility of alien existence a good evidence of creation? Do we have some evidences of alien existence? If we do, would you take it as an evidence of creation?
"Natural processes" and "other theories" are proven not able to give such amount of seawater to the earth.
What other type of evidences of creation you can think of? I am not asking you for the evidence. I am asking you for the type of evidence you like to see. If you can say it, then it would be my part to find it for you.
As I mentioned, evidence that all animals and plants appeared at once would be evidence of creation.
The word of the Creator written in our DNA would be evidence of creation.
God creates everything in a timely sequence, not all at once. May be the correct sequence is an evidence? If it is, then you already have it.
I don't understand the DNA request. What is the word or no word in our DNA?
you don't have evidence you have veiws and putty. and a lot of ice.
why ice ? they like Ice but they hate water , it is their view.
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