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Also, to the OP....isn't this a bit like trying to predict Christ'a return. We might not have a date, but we have our prophetic, end time events lined up...and then he will come................The Bible says no man knows that day nor the hour. god didn't say anything about giving us a code to crack to figure it out.........right?
Thank you for your reply, Princessdi.
Not sure what you are referring to by SOP. Can you explain what you are referring to? This thread was started to help figure out if the trumpets are in the past, as the SDA church teaches, or if they are yet future. What is the next prophetic event that will take place affecting God's people and also the unsaved?
I believe the trumpets are yet future and they are the next prophetic event that will take place. I have read the interpretation the SDA church stands by. I believe they are wrong.
The book of Daniel states the great tribulation will last 1,335 days. (Daniel 12:12) What occurs during this time is important for us to know. If Jesus didn't want us to know, why did He put this information in the Bible? He wants us to be prepared spiritually for what is going to take place. He tells us it will be a terrible time, like never before and will never happen again. He doesn't want us to panic or even worse give up hope or lose our faith.
No one knows when the great tribulation will begin. I'm not saying that I'm trying to figure out a date. No one knows when it will begin. But it will be a surprise for everyone, unless you know what Revelation says.
Do you believe that Satan will appear on earth during this terrible time pretending to be Christ? If you do, do you believe Jesus would tell us about such an important event? Would He show John what was going to happen at the end of time and tell him to write it down in a book so people can read it and know what is coming? Would Jesus want His followers to know that Satan is coming and not be deceived?
Eporu Ronald Alfred
Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda
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Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!
RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH
I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).
1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.
Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.
Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.
2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.
Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.
3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.
The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.
Your brother in Christ
Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy
Hey Dennis, this isn't the place to peddle your metaphysical spritualistic bunk... I let your first post, about the supposed vision of chained spirits trapped in this dimension, slide but you obviously have nothing of value to contribute here.
The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Hey Dennis, this isn't the place to peddle your metaphysical spritualistic bunk... I let your first post, about the supposed vision of chained spirits trapped in this dimension, slide but you obviously have nothing of value to contribute here.
Amen, ECR.
So then I take it that on this forum you do not want to know why I went from rather firm belief in soul sleep to a belief that the NDE accounts are probably valid?
Yes, I do admit that this was not such an easy process!
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I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowethsuch an one caught up to the third heaven.And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
OK. Of course, there is scripture in the book of Revelation that tells us that Lucifer will physically appear on earth and attempt to deceive everyone, even the elect, if that were possible.
The problem is that the SDA Church is asleep. Like the rest of the world (and the ten virgins), the SDA Church will be caught by surprise. It's time to stop blindly following church leaders, traditions, and failed prophecy!
SDAs have ruined the intended meaning of Revelation's story by forcing the seven trumpets into the past. The SDA Church teaches the seven trumpets happened centuries ago, and conclude the seven trumpets of Revelation are personally insignificant. The first four trumpets are about to sound and almost everyone is asleep to their importance.
The Millerites put the seven seals, seven trumpets, Two Witnesses and even the seven last plagues into past centuries for a simple reason. The Millerites believed the world would end in 1844; therefore, they reasoned, everything in Bible prophecy must be fulfilled prior to 1844. To make the book of Revelation meet their prophetic needs, they researched history and invented "historical fulfillments." Think about this: The Millerites were forced by their end-of-the-world conclusion to put the bulk of Revelation's story in the past.
The correct timing of the seven trumpets is crucial to understanding Revelation's story because the seven trumpets will change life as we know it and trigger a worldwide controversy over worship.
Look at the cost of getting this wrong: The rejection of Messiah at the first Advent and the bitter Millerite disappointment of 1844 prove that this mistake can be spiritually fatal.
Has anyone ever considered that the Millerites may actually have been RIGHT?
What happened in 1844 that may have been globally significant? It was also a time when the German Templars created colonies on Mount Carmel in Israel. Has there ever been such Messianic expectation in history other than 1844?
Hi Midnightcry
I think it may be best to ask you what are the signs that must needs pass to convince you that the End Times are upon us?
What evidence do you require from your understanding of the Bible, that will convinve you that Jesus' Second Coming is near?
I think if you can answer this question, it may be a firm grounding by which we can explore the possibilities together
Thanks
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